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To: Rasmus Lerdorf <rasmus@lerdorf.com>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open
From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith)


On 23.03.2010, at 18:15, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:

> My point is that your eventual list should come from things that have
> been committed to trunk and survived review and tests.


Sure, its only that many patches and todo items have been lingering =
(hello frustration?) because of the trunk situation, because we decided =
to then focus on 5.3 etc. Stuff like traits, the OB fixes have been =
flying around for a long time and just didnt get the last attention. LFS =
and big ints have also been on the roadmap for ages and it seems like at =
least for big numbers there is even a patch. If we now spend a few =
months to work on fun stuff (which is what we have trunk for) instead of =
focusing on getting this stuff finalized we are just delaying these =
patches. We all know that when we get towards crunch time we finalize =
patches way more quickly, than when we say "oh lets hack on stuff for a =
while and see where we get".

Again, for "fun development" there is trunk or feature branches. But we =
have enough stuff for a new major release right at our finger tips to =
start thinking about what our next release should look like instead of =
waiting for another 3-6 months which would obviously also imply a delay =
of at least 6-9 months (because big new features we come up with in the =
next 3-6 months will need their time to make it into trunk as well).

So sure lets take until the end of April to think about a set of patches =
we want, but please lets not spend the next 3-6 months coming up with =
entirely new ideas to put into the next major update. Then again this =
might just be a misunderstanding and you are also just talking about =
giving some key features a few weeks to make it into trunk and in a =
state where we feel fairly certain that we can fix any issues should =
there still be any.

In conclusion:
There should of course be fun in just hacking out cool stuff, but I =
think for most developers a big part of the fun is actually seeing your =
ideas in a stable release.

regards,
Lukas Kahwe Smith
mls@pooteeweet.org