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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:05:06 +0100
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: PHP 5.4 branch and trunk
From: tyra3l@gmail.com (Ferenc Kovacs)

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On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 4:58 AM, Pas <pasthelod@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2010.03.19. 19:50, larry@garfieldtech.com wrote:
>
>> On 3/19/10 1:31 PM, Nate Abele wrote:
>>
>>> The point is that, for instance, PHP 5.3 was not a trivial upgrade
>>>> for coders or hosters. Sure it's mostly compatible, and you certainly
>>>> can write code that works from 5.0->5.3 just fine, and if not then
>>>> you're probably doing something wrong... but that's most of the PHP
>>>> code out there right now. :-) And naturally you can't test your code
>>>> against 5.3 until it's out.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Larry, to mitigate this issue, please refer to the exhaustive list of
>>> instructions here:
>>>
>>> http://twitter.com/nateabele/status/10733251789
>>>
>>> PLEASE NOTE: This also applies to user-land applications with test
>>> suites (and here I'm risking showing my ignorance by blindly assuming
>>> Drupal does, in fact, have a test suite).
>>>
>>> Please see http://snaps.php.net/ and http://qa.php.net/ for more
>>> information.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> - Nate
>>>
>>
>> Drupal 7 has an extensive test suite, using our own testing framework
>> rather than phpt. (Let's not get into a debate about why that's the
>> case; it's neither here nor there nor would I even be on just one side
>> of it. <g>)
>>
>> But that's for a high-end project. It doesn't really help the code
>> slingers that happen to have code they threw together that is holding
>> back a hosting company who don't even know what "make" is.
>>
>> I am not saying people shouldn't be testing code. I'm saying the barrier
>> to entry to testing common code found in the wild on a new release of
>> PHP is higher than you seem to be assuming.
>>
>> --Larry Garfield
>>
>>
> I think this has something to do with a large part of PHP developers living
> in a Windows world, where aren't any good test suites (let alone make).
>
> PHPUnit is wonderful; installing it is not exactly that enjoyable.
> Particularly nasty part is getting a working PEAR system on Windows. (Just
> think of the BAT/CMD scripts :| )
>
> --
> Pas
>
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> It seems that the
"Implement David's Circular Garbage collection patch" was not merged into
5.3, I think it should be a good feature for 5.4
Could you check this old old list, maybe there are other nice left-out
patches/ideas to pick up:
http://news.php.net/php.internals/32330

Tyrael

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