Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:47388 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 89339 invoked from network); 18 Mar 2010 07:22:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Mar 2010 07:22:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.20.131 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.20.131 c2bthomr13.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.20.131] ([213.123.20.131:20162] helo=c2bthomr13.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 87/40-20429-5B4D1AB4 for ; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 02:22:29 -0500 Received: from [10.0.0.5] (host81-138-11-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.138.11.136]) by c2bthomr13.btconnect.com with ESMTP id EXZ05070; Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:22:26 GMT X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Fair-1, source=Queried, refid=0001.0A0B0301.4BA1D4B1.0239, actions=tag Message-ID: <4BA1D4B1.20707@lsces.co.uk> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2010 07:22:25 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100217 Fedora/2.0.3-1.fc12 SeaMonkey/2.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP Developers Mailing List References: <4B9926E8.4080202@lerdorf.com> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE03ECF62E@us-ex1.zend.net> In-Reply-To: <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE03ECF62E@us-ex1.zend.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr13.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0206.4BA1D4B2.01A3,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2009-07-20 21:54:04, dmn=5.7.1/2009-08-27, mode=single engine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Andi Gutmans wrote: >> We need to focus on Unicode more than what some says, whether this >> means descoping the Unicode release or not. However, this means that > the >> development focus needs to be towards new features AND Unicode, not >> having the new feature branch, and the siberia branch with Unicode > support. > > I think the key to rebuilding momentum in PHP development is to not try > and boil the ocean but to focus on "smaller" major releases. This would > enable us to manage a more predictable release cycle, lower the risk for > each release incl. better manage compatibility and increase motivation > for contributors as they know they can have an impact and if they can't > make one release they know the next isn't that far off (the latter also > eliminates pressure to push pre-mature functionality into a release). Please can we also put PDO back in the melting pot ... this is also still a 'pre-mature' functionality partly because of the very limited target it set, but this has also resulted in a base that simply does not work. All of the database drivers are getting new features which SHOULD be developed at the PDO level if THAT is to become the standard. At present no one is working on the gaps in PDO mainly because adding database specific features can't be handled, and therefore projects that have switched to PDO are finding that even for MySQl and Posgresql ( the only two drivers that are reasonably stable in PDO ) they have to also access the native drivers ... The base class for PDO simply does not allow any chance of supporting cross connection activities - something which is rather important as projects scale. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php