Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:47335 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 22559 invoked from network); 16 Mar 2010 20:22:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Mar 2010 20:22:47 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=stas@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=stas@zend.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.185 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: stas@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.185 il-mr1.zend.com Received: from [212.25.124.185] ([212.25.124.185:47864] helo=il-mr1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 1C/54-15129-598EF9B4 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:22:46 -0500 Received: from us-gw1.zend.com (unknown [192.168.16.5]) by il-mr1.zend.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FBE950472; Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:03:24 +0200 (IST) Received: from [192.168.16.93] ([192.168.16.93]) by us-gw1.zend.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:22:39 -0700 Message-ID: <4B9FE890.7060101@zend.com> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:22:40 -0700 Organization: Zend Technologies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.8) Gecko/20100227 Thunderbird/3.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hannes Magnusson CC: Derick Rethans , PHP Developers Mailing List , Scott MacVicar , Ilia Alshanetsky , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johannes_Schl=FCter?= References: <7f3ed2c31003161123p66e59b0h369afdfd35b0caca@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7f3ed2c31003161123p66e59b0h369afdfd35b0caca@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Mar 2010 20:22:39.0232 (UTC) FILETIME=[6C81F800:01CAC546] Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.4 branch and trunk From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev) Hi! > Does that mean you want to take up a > - strict RFC-and-after-3months-discussion-before-commit policy > (i.e. killing the scratching-an-itch spirit of PHP) > - "I'm going to commit this patch tomorrow" mail to internals@ > (i.e. killing "I need this functionality, maybe others do to" spirit of PHP) Probably something like "I have this patch and I wrote this RFC, please discuss", then wait reasonable* time for discussion and reasonable* consensus before commit, and for reasonably* small patches "I'm going to commit it in 2 days unless somebody objects" would work (*) I know definitions of "reasonable" differ but I have faith we find a common ground. > And which of Ilias patches are you referring to? The original one > (which is identical to the patch I sent in November 2006) or the > "fucking eyh, I need to please everyone so this can be in 5.3 - but > still got rejected" patch? That's exactly why having RFC is good - one link solves all the questions about "which one is it' :) -- Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ (408)253-8829 MSN: stas@zend.com