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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:51:43 -0500
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6
From: ericleestewart@gmail.com (Eric Stewart)

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On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Derick Rethans <derick@php.net> wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Mar 2010, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>
> > So I think Lukas and others are right, let's move the PHP 6 trunk to a
> > branch since we are still going to need a bunch of code from it and
> > move development to trunk and start exploring lighter and more
> > approachable ways to attack Unicode.  We have a few already.
> > Enhanced mbstring and ext/intl.  Let's see some good ideas around that
> > and work on those in trunk.  Other features necessarily need to play
> > along with these in the same branch.  I refuse to go down the path of
> > a 5.4 branch and a separate Unicode branch again.
> >
> > The main focus here needs to be to get everyone working in the same
> > branch.
>
> I am also in favour for getting back to one branch for new development.
> And that "branch" should be trunk. However, I am a little bit reluctant
> to just "kill" all Unicode support. I don't think we can get around the
> fact that propr Unicode support is going to be even more important in
> the future than it already is today. However, we can also not get around
> the fact that the current state of "Unicode-in-PHP" isn't the most ideal
> situation.
>
> I do however think that most of the current approaches of adding Unicode
> support into PHP 6 (current trunk) have the proper ideas behind that,
> but I do think that in some cases we went slightly overboard of
> supporting Unicode everywhere with the new "unicode" type. For example,
> we don't really need to have this for variable or function names or
> support every encoding for writing scripts in. (We do
> need to *support* Unicode there, but not with the unicode string type.)
> Another example is that we perhaps don't have to support every encoding
> out there.
>
> So I would suggest the following things to do:
>
> - get rid of Jani's play branch
> - move trunk to branches/FIRST_UNICODE_IDEA
> - put 5.2 in security fix only mode
> - pht 5.3 in bug fix only mode
> - start adding new features (traits, Ilia's scalar typehint patch,
>  output buffering things) to the new trunk cloned from 5.3.
> - in the meanwhile, start working on patching in back Unicode support,
>  but in small steps. Exactly which things, and how we'd have to find
>  out. But I do think it needs to be a *core* language feature, and not
>  simply solved by extensions. We also need to make sure everybody
>  understands that Unicode isn't just about encodings, or charsets and
>  that thre are differences between that. Education is going to be
>  important (and adding Unicode back in small bits would certainly help
>  there).
>
> As I now have plenty of time to work on things, I'd be happy to act as
> RM, and wouldn't mind working on roadmaps and sorting out what good bits
> we have/had, and which things we don't want to port back into the new
> trunk. Depending on how things go, this could become 5.4 or 6 or
> something else.
>
> with kind regards,
> Derick
>
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+1 Single Development Branch and move 6.0 branch to UNICODE_FIRST_ATTEMPT
+1 Derick RM to spearhead a more progressive approach to implementing
Unicode support.

Eric Lee Stewart

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