Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:47237 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 94390 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2010 18:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Mar 2010 18:34:06 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 209.85.211.204 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.211.204 mail-yw0-f204.google.com Received: from [209.85.211.204] ([209.85.211.204:47287] helo=mail-yw0-f204.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 86/5D-15916-D9ADB9B4 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:34:05 -0500 Received: by ywh42 with SMTP id 42so857857ywh.7 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:34:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.169.39 with SMTP id w39mr4073311ano.140.1268505242704; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:34:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.64] (adsl-69-230-99-94.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net [69.230.99.94]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm846176yxf.54.2010.03.13.10.34.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:34:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B9BDA97.7010905@lerdorf.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:33:59 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9pre) Gecko/20100309 Shredder/3.0.4pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Keryx Web CC: PHP Developers Mailing List References: <4B9BC369.6030404@keryx.se> In-Reply-To: <4B9BC369.6030404@keryx.se> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Next major version must be 7 (Lessons learned from the ECMAScript committee) From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) On 03/13/2010 08:55 AM, Keryx Web wrote: > Hi again > > Trying to drive home this message I am starting a new thread. > > Mini-summary: The next *major* edition of PHP must be 7, not 6. > > Summary: > > A. There seem to be universal agreement that the up until last week > branch of PHP called trunk was going to be PHP 6 is a dead end and not > the way into the future. (I'll call this "PHP 6.old" from now on. > > B. Instead a more incremental approach is better, according to the > consensus. (I'll call this "PHP.next".) > > C. BUT: There is a ton of articles and slides and blog posts describing > PHP 6.old on the net already. > > D. If there will be a new major edition of PHP with the version number > 6, not based on "PHP 6.old" but "PHP.next" it will take a huge amount of > time for the old resources to disappear from Google search results and > peoples minds. > > E (for ergo): The next major version of PHP must be called 7, to avoid > confusion. Could we not at least agree on this? > > This is not a technical decision. It is a pedagogic decision. > > It is not a decision about if we are going from 5.3 to 7 directly or if > there should be a 5.4 release in between. Nor is it a decision about > timetable or features. > > (And it is an appropriate slap to publishers who have put out books with > PHP 6 in their title, just for marketing purposes.) > > OK? No, not ok. We will call the next release whatever we like. People who have written books or articles about PHP 6 inferring they knew what the final state of PHP 6 would be were misguided. We never got to the point of a final feature set much less a release date. -Rasmus