Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:47223 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 46946 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2010 15:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Mar 2010 15:10:56 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rquadling@googlemail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rquadling@googlemail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain googlemail.com designates 209.85.220.223 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rquadling@googlemail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.223 mail-fx0-f223.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.223] ([209.85.220.223:41065] helo=mail-fx0-f223.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4B/84-15916-DFAAB9B4 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:10:54 -0500 Received: by fxm23 with SMTP id 23so1709444fxm.23 for ; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:10:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=y+3s8Q1ek7JGxN9F6S7hH0DcvGfFyDVznft+gidinC8=; b=X0NSU9apEr+BkRbiYLV4TN/cfFvvx6eH948FbUwbUvNf2BRmWWx7aldt4TM6euPJb7 DKibJhRP9EmFC6e1SNEmnT/oeL3cg3F/IJsN3vCuSVhZ+A/OSlAP1xzvO2ZcWxXxwPvw IQJ7RFqkRESCc649KhDiRZi15TpXMBL9dx2lw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; b=EOZDiBjTP+KnwrQYREycr2KehG45FfOV03ceoo8agxM0MtaBu88T5sbfbGsmbgPL0n ogBcUIjfZTOfEmFOn+PceE8GvBSskWzpMGAiDMTm8z/XByuz/IXhtZfCoPsrpiEcdpIj +1IWaX4AMNSqPdmg2M59czHSkaq4uguy8WujI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.4.197 with SMTP id 5mr3713896fas.1.1268493050549; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 07:10:50 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: RQuadling@googlemail.com In-Reply-To: <416155e11003121750o4b1f8e11j4c9124fdaa34a22d@mail.gmail.com> References: <416155e11003121750o4b1f8e11j4c9124fdaa34a22d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 15:10:30 +0000 Message-ID: <10845a341003130710p58b206afmc6bd77f1d184b10e@mail.gmail.com> To: Chris Trahey , fw-webservices Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RFC - "class underloading" -or- "ancestor overloading" From: rquadling@googlemail.com (Richard Quadling) On 13 March 2010 01:50, Chris Trahey wrote: > Perhaps a new concept in class-based OO programming, I'm not sure. > > Depending on your perspective you could call it ancestor overloading (or > upstream overloading) or class underloading. > > > We are increasingly developing with the aid of frameworks & libraries. In > fact, this idea came from my current project using the Zend Framework. > > These libraries, while greatly extensible, are also fairly self-extending. > That is, they include many classes that extend many classes, which is great. > > As consumers of these libraries, we can extend the classes and consume the > API however we please, but there is one sticking point. > > We cannot change classes that many other classes extend without extending or > changing each child class and then making sure that our code uses the new > class. > > > For a concrete example, I was working with the Zend_Form_Element subclasses, > and I realized that I wanted to change some of the default behavior (in > Zend_Form_Element). > > - at this point I will assume the reader understands why I wouldn't want to > just start changing the Zend library files - > > There are many subclasses of Zend_Form_Element. If you want to change the > default behavior for all of them, you have 3 choices currently: > > 1. Directly edit the Zend_Form_Element file in the library, -bad for updates > & other projects that use the library > > 2. subclass Zend_Form_Element and change declaration of the descendants to > extend new class - same problems > > 3. extend each child class and implement those subclasses in your app code > -very tedious and TONS of repeated code, breaks consistency of API for > developers. > > > There could be a better way, if we could insert a class into the family > tree. > > And that's the heart of this idea, so I'll repeat it: > > * insert a class into the family tree * > > > Image we do it using an alternative keyword to "extends", such as > "overloads". > > > Example: > > > class Library_Class { } > > class Library_Subclass extends Library_Class {} > > and then: > > class My_LibClass_Overload overloads Library_Class{} > > > Now new instances of Library_Subclass actually extend My_LibClass_Overload, > which "extends" Library_Class. The developer would then code > My_LibClass_Overload as if it were declared like this: > > class Library_Class {} > > class My_LibClass_Overload extends Library_Class {} > > class Library_Subclass extends My_LibClass_Overload {} > > > But indeed the declaration of Library_Subclass would *not* have to change. > > > This way developers could "extend" default functionality and have *existing* > library classes pick up the new functionality without redeclaring anything > in the library. > > Downstream classes would still override any methods that they redeclare. If > you wanted to have end-point classes in the library have different behavior, > you would overload them instead, such as > > class My_LibSubclass_Overload overloads Lib_Subclass {} > > > The benefit is that the application code can still consume "standard" > classes, such as Library_Subclass and not need to know or care about the > extended functionality. > > > Going back to my concrete example, my code could then still use > Zend_Form_Element_Text, but benefit from the modifications I added, without > me having to touch the library code. > > > I hope I've explained clearly what this could look like. I'm a younger > developer, so forgive me if I'm rough on the terminology -perhaps > overload/underload is not the best word for this functionality. Also, I'm > not sure if there are other class-based OO languages that allow this kind of > behavior... Prototypal languages perhaps, as is the case with javascript and > the Obj.prototype which (combined with anonymous functions) allows you to > extend the "base" functionality of other objects that "extend" it. > > > Thank you for your comments and thoughts! > > > Chris Trahey I had exactly the same issue with Zend_Soap_AutoDiscover. This class uses Zend_Soap_Wsdl to create the WSDL file for a SOAP service. The class was hard coded. The AutoDiscover class allowed you to supply a class name to handle complex types, but not in conjunction with xsd scalar types. The Zend_Soap_Wsdl class handled php -> xsd types and read docblocks for that. But if the docblock had an xsd type (xsd:datetime, xsd:token, etc.) which are used to tell the consumer what the type is, then there was no way to get these in. So, I created this patch http://framework.zend.com/code/changelog/Zend_Framework?cs=21379 (diff http://framework.zend.com/code/browse/Zend_Framework/standard/trunk/library/Zend/Soap/AutoDiscover.php?r1=20096&r2=21379) which allows me to supply an alternative class name in a similar fashion to being able to supply a complex type handler class name. This was the easiest route I could find and the least impacting (full BC exists). The amendment I made to allow a subclass to be used as an alternative is a one off hit, so maybe this technique could be used for Zend_Form (I assume this is the class you are needing to amend). Regards, Richard. -- ----- Richard Quadling "Standing on the shoulders of some very clever giants!" EE : http://www.experts-exchange.com/M_248814.html EE4Free : http://www.experts-exchange.com/becomeAnExpert.jsp Zend Certified Engineer : http://zend.com/zce.php?c=ZEND002498&r=213474731 ZOPA : http://uk.zopa.com/member/RQuadling