Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:47185 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 51041 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2010 19:17:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Mar 2010 19:17:30 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=hannes.magnusson@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=hannes.magnusson@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.222.178 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: hannes.magnusson@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.222.178 mail-pz0-f178.google.com Received: from [209.85.222.178] ([209.85.222.178:56097] helo=mail-pz0-f178.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 46/8F-13686-A439A9B4 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:17:30 -0500 Received: by pzk8 with SMTP id 8so1666415pzk.29 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:17:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=EFWt5neN//hfCWU8js+0PNxtTh4G/39VygS2UAgHZxg=; b=wSAo7811t7Hz89cUDBtg1C5oFozwk6Au2Pps/dMFoW1r4xi/OkOZROKdWAOxJLFdGf zZVqxUkGgyQAD5ZZOcEzNL4Ooa70FD6CyqyJRJYvmc6EBwujJLSRchwDSyr3BShRSg5M hxxiEaVifj9cHtgQ4v4JEOwfDzsn2xMMXpy8g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=lcYHDW/T5rUqqOa32yXcCzG1cyCgKYtwjxpcyno47z1I9DA65Jk8KAP03/vaukfOJ4 1EHFoIoEfe01M+RpVxIFCEHLXeCNqPXFBMU9K/R544Qjudt1TbHg96cry9lZQ1uUFtDm Utvv/2tKNZQeUqpMYI/YhmPPa2i8mqRCtzB+k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.196.15 with SMTP id t15mr1455573wff.168.1268421447862; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:17:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B9A8BF8.8030904@zend.com> References: <4B9926E8.4080202@lerdorf.com> <7f3ed2c31003120958w7bd41059o88869669c6f5b0d9@mail.gmail.com> <4B9A880B.7060003@zend.com> <7f3ed2c31003121035of414ae0k9e2577d8b22e7538@mail.gmail.com> <4B9A8BF8.8030904@zend.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:17:27 +0100 Message-ID: <7f3ed2c31003121117l6ce88d4dk89b2c50880e17fdc@mail.gmail.com> To: Stanislav Malyshev Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 From: hannes.magnusson@gmail.com (Hannes Magnusson) On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 19:46, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > >> Yeah. >> We tried it, and it simply didn't pan out (performance, bc, lost interest, >> ..). > > I think it is a bit premature to declare the death of Unicode in PHP. Yes, > we know there are problems, and yes, it was harder that initially thought, > so we may want to take a step back and rethink it. Also we may want to get > Unicode out of the way of other PHP development, since it's taking longer > than planned. But that doesn't mean we should bury it. Sorry, it wasn't my intention to declare unicode in PHP dead. I meant to say we need to explore other options, and start smaller. Look into what we can do with the mbstring patch and expand the intl extension to cover more features would be a good first step. -Hannes