Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:47184 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 49920 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2010 19:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Mar 2010 19:16:21 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=philip@roshambo.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=philip@roshambo.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain roshambo.org from 209.85.216.191 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: philip@roshambo.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.216.191 mail-px0-f191.google.com Received: from [209.85.216.191] ([209.85.216.191:35991] helo=mail-px0-f191.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 54/4F-13686-3039A9B4 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 14:16:20 -0500 Received: by pxi29 with SMTP id 29so857813pxi.7 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.91.16 with SMTP id t16mr3396721rvl.129.1268421377069; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:16:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.198] (c-76-104-185-25.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [76.104.185.25]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm1692140pzk.2.2010.03.12.11.16.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:16:16 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <4B9A8BF8.8030904@zend.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:15:47 -0800 Cc: Hannes Magnusson , internals@lists.php.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <7DB4E2BE-9035-4AA0-9A40-564217CB6BD8@roshambo.org> References: <4B9926E8.4080202@lerdorf.com> <7f3ed2c31003120958w7bd41059o88869669c6f5b0d9@mail.gmail.com> <4B9A880B.7060003@zend.com> <7f3ed2c31003121035of414ae0k9e2577d8b22e7538@mail.gmail.com> <4B9A8BF8.8030904@zend.com> To: Stanislav Malyshev X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 From: philip@roshambo.org (Philip Olson) On Mar 12, 2010, at 10:46 AM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > Hi! >=20 >> Yeah. >> We tried it, and it simply didn't pan out (performance, bc, lost = interest, ..). >=20 > I think it is a bit premature to declare the death of Unicode in PHP. = Yes, we know there are problems, and yes, it was harder that initially = thought, so we may want to take a step back and rethink it. Also we may = want to get Unicode out of the way of other PHP development, since it's = taking longer than planned. But that doesn't mean we should bury it. How have other languages progressed down the unicode road? Is there = anything we can learn from their progress over these past few years?=20 Or is the problem simply lack of volunteer hours? If so, maybe a strong = effort to create real internals documentation (that includes unicode = goodness) a possible solution? Regards, Philip