Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:47120 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 30777 invoked from network); 11 Mar 2010 17:22:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Mar 2010 17:22:57 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 209.226.175.4 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.226.175.4 tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net Solaris 8 (1) Received: from [209.226.175.4] ([209.226.175.4:38314] helo=tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 42/40-29095-0F6299B4 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:22:57 -0500 Received: from toip3.srvr.bell.ca ([209.226.175.86]) by tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20100311172253.NBRV11823.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip3.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:22:53 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAE+xmEtGGXLi/2dsb2JhbACaYXO+A4R7BIMX Received: from unknown (HELO p1003.superclick.com) ([70.25.114.226]) by toip3.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 11 Mar 2010 12:10:57 -0500 Received: from [10.2.240.126] ([10.2.240.126]) by p1003.superclick.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o2BJJhDZ012084 for ; Thu, 11 Mar 2010 14:19:44 -0500 Message-ID: <4B9926E8.4080202@lerdorf.com> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:22:48 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9pre) Gecko/20100309 Shredder/3.0.4pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP Developers Mailing List X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: PHP 6 From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) Ah, Jani went a little crazy today in his typical style to force a decision. The real decision is not whether to have a version 5.4 or not, it is all about solving the Unicode problem. The current effort has obviously stalled. We need to figure out how to get development back on track in a way that people can get on board. We knew the Unicode effort was hugely ambitious the way we approached it. There are other ways. So I think Lukas and others are right, let's move the PHP 6 trunk to a branch since we are still going to need a bunch of code from it and move development to trunk and start exploring lighter and more approachable ways to attack Unicode. We have a few already. Enhanced mbstring and ext/intl. Let's see some good ideas around that and work on those in trunk. Other features necessarily need to play along with these in the same branch. I refuse to go down the path of a 5.4 branch and a separate Unicode branch again. The main focus here needs to be to get everyone working in the same branch. -Rasmus