Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:46909 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 40058 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2010 05:37:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Jan 2010 05:37:28 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ceo@l-i-e.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ceo@l-i-e.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain l-i-e.com designates 67.139.134.202 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ceo@l-i-e.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 67.139.134.202 o2.hostbaby.com FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.3) (2) Received: from [67.139.134.202] ([67.139.134.202:1256] helo=o2.hostbaby.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E4/72-12356-517156B4 for ; Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:37:26 -0500 Received: (qmail 11046 invoked by uid 98); 31 Jan 2010 05:37:30 -0000 Received: from localhost by o2.hostbaby.com (envelope-from , uid 1013) with qmail-scanner-2.05 (clamdscan: 0.88.7/10344. Clear:RC:1(127.0.0.1):. Processed in 0.075327 secs); 31 Jan 2010 05:37:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO l-i-e.com) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Jan 2010 05:37:30 -0000 Received: from webmail (SquirrelMail authenticated user ceo@l-i-e.com) by www.l-i-e.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:37:30 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3240.98.193.1264916250.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> In-Reply-To: <57792e851001231226j5f7e6552s16a7a5aa80e8ea2e@mail.gmail.com> References: <4B4DABED.4060202@easyflirt.com> <4B4DFBDE.1020906@lerdorf.com> <4B4E5943.3000706@wikimedia.org> <4B4E5D5B.9020805@zend.com> <4B4E6BE5.1070404@wikimedia.org> <4B4E79A6.2010904@zend.com> <4B4E8D15.60508@wikimedia.org> <57792e851001212136h12d7effaldeb75869808d8350@mail.gmail.com> <57792e851001221857m7954ee3ag4485d5cd695b6126@mail.gmail.com> <4B5A75B4.1080403@wikimedia.org> <57792e851001231226j5f7e6552s16a7a5aa80e8ea2e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:37:30 -0600 (CST) To: "steve" Cc: "PHP internals" User-Agent: Hostbaby Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About optimization From: ceo@l-i-e.com ("Richard Lynch") On Sat, January 23, 2010 2:26 pm, steve wrote: > The guys at Zend muscled in to change the culture as well, and have I'm not sure that's a fair representation of the historical reality of how Zend came into existence... > succeeded to a large degree, pushing PHP into the enterprise by > offering a "full" version of PHP, not free of course. And thus the And that doesn't even make any sense at all. What Zend product are you claiming is a "full" version of PHP? And how is the non-Zend PHP "not full"? > reason for not having a byte code cache in the core. And the whole > "optimizer" which was their decoder part of their encoder project was > just making bad karma. Bundling the decoder into the optimizer may not have been the best move ever... > Enough time has passed for a new round to > wrestle control. We'll see how the FBJIT goes. Which just goes to > show, if you really want something done, put some muscle into, take > over or fork. Or keep to yourself. Sounds good. Which are you doing? :-) -- Some people ask for gifts here. I just want you to buy an Indie CD for yourself: http://cdbaby.com/search/from/lynch