Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:46885 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 43259 invoked from network); 26 Jan 2010 00:59:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Jan 2010 00:59:10 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=iamstever@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=iamstever@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.216.186 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: iamstever@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.216.186 mail-px0-f186.google.com Received: from [209.85.216.186] ([209.85.216.186:42750] helo=mail-px0-f186.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 21/33-26775-E5E3E5B4 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:59:10 -0500 Received: by pxi16 with SMTP id 16so2880768pxi.29 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:59:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6l4B2MKuL8yrGNpQZXA0Ihjo9DRm0muHvZ5x0aJcYso=; b=FXcxHxnu0Bt54PdfOYQWjYFdRktveTbM6HLPdwlOBkUcls1TGBxqHYzEhWJAvw4kyU sWISN91Feklq3b4G2jWQGqRv+Fz43SHUWv0Lc+6ykmrwepo43AEALfNU+0aLJTGBJoJ7 VWBTzYRnyVLnk2gQBwrXqSoMZqiFzpCeS0Cv0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vQJHRunMvi/swFDIu79AhPA1ZEsvteVtnT1sLmH8BbwKF/jaKRUNWyzxi440mxO+VP +mtH3fm+OWfBzmopzcM2qpxWijE2NM5bCBxINrfP8+HfViOHeFbhdKMl6rOcAik19F6d PHL2n+TFeh0Y3OJYkqNMHXD4i69lzinvvD/74= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.85.10 with SMTP id n10mr4279311wal.13.1264467546629; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:59:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B5B6911.2080009@lerdorf.com> References: <4B4DABED.4060202@easyflirt.com> <4B4E5D5B.9020805@zend.com> <4B4E6BE5.1070404@wikimedia.org> <4B4E79A6.2010904@zend.com> <4B4E8D15.60508@wikimedia.org> <57792e851001212136h12d7effaldeb75869808d8350@mail.gmail.com> <57792e851001221857m7954ee3ag4485d5cd695b6126@mail.gmail.com> <4B5A75B4.1080403@wikimedia.org> <57792e851001231226j5f7e6552s16a7a5aa80e8ea2e@mail.gmail.com> <4B5B6911.2080009@lerdorf.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:59:06 -0800 Message-ID: <57792e851001251659x36c8656eoe5596a5b68beaa21@mail.gmail.com> To: Rasmus Lerdorf Cc: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] About optimization From: iamstever@gmail.com (steve) > This isn't about server costs. =A0It is about choosing the right tool for > the right part of the job. =A0A Javascript library for the client-side > frontend, PHP for the server-side frontend, C/C++ for your middle-layer > and an appropriate datastore behind it all and you can build amazing > things with PHP. =A0The largest destinations on the Web today are written > exactly like this. This is a tremendous insight. No where near my experience. (Neither is cheap hosting for individuals). Faster PHP means smaller webfarm, and if you pay for that webfarm, then these things matter. At any rate, thanks for the long description. And I do notice the nice tone in contrast to mine that day. Sigh... > All I can say on this is, send some patches to the list. PHP improves th= rough code. True, true. But I remember a history of push back to such things, and even if now that is no longer the case, the price of political engagement is too high (that is, just explaining the stuff, etc). We're at the point of migrating away (in small tiny steps) anyhow, but I hope others that have experience and extra manpower speak up. There are some interesting internal forks of php out there that are cleaner and faster than what we could contribute anyhow. > It seems that you did not look closely to the improvements made to PHP 5.= 3. Sadly, I'm not sure 5.3 is in the cards for this year, and the stock build wouldn't do. Needs work on method dispatch. iamstever