Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:45413 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 18512 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2009 14:53:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Aug 2009 14:53:00 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=greg@chiaraquartet.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=greg@chiaraquartet.net; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain chiaraquartet.net from 209.85.220.212 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: greg@chiaraquartet.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.220.212 mail-fx0-f212.google.com Received: from [209.85.220.212] ([209.85.220.212:33519] helo=mail-fx0-f212.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 3F/63-21292-A4C459A4 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:52:59 -0400 Received: by fxm8 with SMTP id 8so187302fxm.23 for ; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.34.65 with SMTP id k1mr3726019bkd.111.1251298375160; Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:52:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monster.local ([76.84.30.125]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c28sm9335327fka.49.2009.08.26.07.52.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A954C42.1080705@chiaraquartet.net> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:52:50 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070807) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Derick Rethans CC: Stanislav Malyshev , 'PHP Internals' References: <4A92D936.2010107@zend.com> <4A931A1C.804@chiaraquartet.net> <39F20BFC-DAA0-4403-A52E-62CE5F4CF0FE@prohost.org> <4A9346CA.3070608@chiaraquartet.net> <4B0E7BED-C2AE-4BE5-B6CA-00B810168961@prohost.org> <4A938706.8060600@zend.com> <4A941315.9070300@zend.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [patch] error masks From: greg@chiaraquartet.net (Greg Beaver) Derick Rethans wrote: > And the suggestion? Yet another ini setting (some even advocate making > it INI_SYSTEM, which is obviously totally wacko)... This idea is an > ostrich method. Derick, I'm only trying to suggest ways of fixing problems, calling them "obviously wacko" is useless. I don't give a crap either way whether this exact feature gets into core, but it *is* in the notes, although not really in any recognizable language: 17. @operators. RFC it. (Stas, need more clarification) Let me be clear: what I am in support of is removing unnecessary performance hit when an error is completely hidden either by error_reporting or by @ (i.e. no track_errors, no user error handler, no other things that would expect to see the errors). That's all that matters to me, the suggestion on INI_SYSTEM was an example of a way to solve a specific problem with Stas's proposed patch, probably not the best solution, but calling it "wacko" is ridiculous. I suggest everyone grow up and if that isn't possible, at least stop pissing me off. I hear more than enough irrational screaming from my month-old, there's simply no need for it on internals@ as well. Love, Greg