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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [patch] error masks
From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans)

On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:

> > Considering that there shouldn't be any errors in the first place, this 
> 
> You must be kidding me. Any fopen of non-existing file, and loading of
> non-perfect XML from third party produces errors.

You can test for the first case, and the second one can be prevented by 
using the libxml_errors functionality.

> There is absolutely no way
> you can write code that does anything useful that would guaranteedly never
> produce errors.

So we should fix that instead.

> They won't be fixed. I am getting an impression nobody's actually 
> reading the comments, only writing. Once again: I'm not talking about 
> people that are looking for errors in their code to debug, I am 
> talking about setups disabling errors ON PURPOSE, because they DO NOT 
> WANT them. Different use case.

And the suggestion? Yet another ini setting (some even advocate making 
it INI_SYSTEM, which is obviously totally wacko)... This idea is an 
ostrich method.

> BTW we discussed that in Chicago meetup and agreed we want to do it. 
> Of course, not that agreeing on anything ever would stand in a way of 
> wasting another bunch of time on repeating same stuff over and over 
> and nobody listening and blocking another useful feature.

I don't find it useful, and obviously not everybody agreed with all the 
things in Chicago either. I didn't find this back in the notes either 
(http://wiki.php.net/summits/pdmnotesmay09).

regards,
Derick