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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:40:39 +0200
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To: Stanislav Malyshev <stas@zend.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [patch] error masks
From: webmaster@colder.ch (Etienne Kneuss)

Hello,

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Stanislav Malyshev<stas@zend.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> Considering that there shouldn't be any errors in the first place, this
>
> You must be kidding me. Any fopen of non-existing file, and loading of
> non-perfect XML from third party produces errors. There is absolutely no =
way
> you can write code that does anything useful that would guaranteedly neve=
r
> produce errors. Moreover, any attempt to do it would make your code 2-3
> times slower, as you'd have to do most of the actions twice - once to che=
ck
> if it would succeed and one to actually do it (as with file_exists/fopen)
> and even then you could fail.
>
>> is of course a moot point. Sure, 3rd party code (PEAR pcakges?) might
>> throw errors like crazy on PHP 5, they need to be *fixed* anyway. So if
>
> They won't be fixed. I am getting an impression nobody's actually reading
> the comments, only writing. Once again: I'm not talking about people that
> are looking for errors in their code to debug, I am talking about setups
> disabling errors ON PURPOSE, because they DO NOT WANT them. Different use
> case.
>
> BTW we discussed that in Chicago meetup and agreed we want to do it. Of
> course, not that agreeing on anything ever would stand in a way of wastin=
g
> another bunch of time on repeating same stuff over and over and nobody
> listening and blocking another useful feature.

You're the one asking "What do you think?" :) People seem to think
that this feature is another invitation to bad practice in 95% of the
cases, and only useful to the last 5% of the people who know what
they're doing... (like goto?)

And no, IMO the agreements in Chicago or wherever should still pass
through the ML or something, I assume lots of people were not able to
go there, and lots of those people won't be happy with some of the
decisions.

Best,

> --
> Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect
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