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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:02:05 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [patch] error masks
From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith)


On 25.08.2009, at 00:54, Greg Beaver wrote:

> 1) if a tree falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it,
> do we still have to put up with the performance loss?
> 2) as long as the patch does not break any backwards compatibility
> (error logging still works as it always did independent of error_mask,
> user error handlers still get the same stuff), why would we care?   
> There
> is a time and place for being academic about fixing things and it is
> called development, not production.


If you have bugs in production, you sure as hell want to know about ..  
and encouraging people to ignore them is a recipe for disaster.
Stats "@fopen()" example is perfect here, so lets say we do add this  
feature and people simply turn of error's entirely so that they can  
instead write "fopen()", they feel all good about themselves, since  
they handle the error locally and get a magical speed boost  
(noticeable or not) .. all the while they are ignoring all sorts of  
E_NOTICES that would indicate them that they have some serious  
security issues.

Again, I am all for being able to totally ignore E_STRICT/E_DEPRECATED  
in production .. but there is a time for fixing E_NOTICES .. and that  
time is always!

regards,
Lukas Kahwe Smith
mls@pooteeweet.org