Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:44871 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 33123 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2009 14:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Jul 2009 14:44:17 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=greg@chiaraquartet.net; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=greg@chiaraquartet.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain chiaraquartet.net from 209.85.200.173 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: greg@chiaraquartet.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.200.173 wf-out-1314.google.com Received: from [209.85.200.173] ([209.85.200.173:30714] helo=wf-out-1314.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 94/A0-30297-042065A4 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:44:17 -0400 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so55628wfc.26 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.254.6 with SMTP id b6mr317274wfi.199.1247150653694; Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:44:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from monster.local ([76.84.30.125]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm8837052wff.26.2009.07.09.07.44.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 09 Jul 2009 07:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A56023A.1000400@chiaraquartet.net> Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 09:44:10 -0500 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Macintosh/20070807) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hannes Magnusson CC: Richard Lynch , PHP internals References: <52252.99.18.1247074235.squirrel@www.l-i-e.com> <4A555AF9.1090403@chiaraquartet.net> <7f3ed2c30907090039h3fd1a408ja34153f8f64b18f7@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7f3ed2c30907090039h3fd1a408ja34153f8f64b18f7@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] bug tracker planning From: greg@chiaraquartet.net (Greg Beaver) Hannes Magnusson wrote: > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 04:50, Greg Beaver wrote: > >> The disadvantages are obvious: everyone has to have an account and give >> their email address to report a bug. The advantages are also obvious: >> > > I *hate* when I am required to signup and do all sorts of weird > validation crap before I can file bug reports. > > Things get even worse when projects hide the "new bug report" links > for not-logged in users. > I tend to drop out of the process midway and get to the conclusion > "apparently they don't want me to report bugs". > > Also, there is no reason to maintain user system for bugs. Just > outsource the login to openid or a "captcha" questions ("Are you a > zombie?" don't know/yes/no). Hi, Actually, I hate requiring to do weird crap before filing too, and PEAR's system was designed for people who hate doing crap prior to filing. That's why the system PEAR uses is (1) file bug (2) verify email. Incidentally, I may have been unclear: the "new bug report" link is not hidden, just bugs from unverified users are not included in the public list of bugs (about 60-80% of new bugs are ads for manly drugs, so this is a good thing). signed in developers can see them and can also manually mark them as "spam" which causes them to be purged daily. The feeling of using it is infinitely friendlier than that used by trackers such as Bugzilla where clicking "report bug" goes to a blank page with a user/pass prompt. Greg P.S. the first time I sent this, the words "manly drugs" were a 6 letter word starting with "v" and the mail server rejected it with: 550 550 we're manly enough already (state 18). Nice :).