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Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 17:33:07 -0700
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To: Ilia Alshanetsky <ilia@prohost.org>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Type hinting/casting request for vote
From: sgkelly4@gmail.com (Graham Kelly)

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However, this is ONLY because I do not feel PHP 5.3 is the place to put
this. However, I do have to agree with Ilia here that PHP 6 is too far away
and it would be nice to have this feature long before then. I would however,
be very for adding something similar to this patch in a PHP 5.4 release. I
don't see why a PHP 5.4 release can't be done relativly quickly (Like 6-12
months) by just making it more of a minor internal update but something that
could have large impacts on user code (syntax changes for type hints).

I'd like to see a feature like this out as soon as possible so that people
can start adopting it.

- Graham Kelly


On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Ilia Alshanetsky <ilia@prohost.org> wrote:

> Andrei,
>
> PHP represents a major change on every aspect of the language, I think you
> gotta appreciate it that even if it were to be released today there would be
> sometime before it can certified as production ready in terms of stability
> and performance. I'd go on a limb and say that PHP6 is probably 3-4 years
> away from being production material and that's assuming it gets released in
> the next 8-12 months. During that time people still need to develop
> applications, which are getting increasingly complex and any helpful
> tool/feature would be an asset.
>
>
>
> On 7-Jul-09, at 4:52 PM, Andrei Zmievski wrote:
>
>  Ilia Alshanetsky wrote:
>>
>>> PHP 6 is too far off in a practical sense (sorry Andrei) from the time
>>> where I can see myself using it in production or other people benefiting
>>> from this function. The (simpler) variant of provided patch is what is
>>> currently being used on production, if it can go into 5.3, which I see
>>> myself using soon, then there is a tangible benefit from making this a
>>> public feature (reduce the amount of custom patching) and spending the time
>>> to refine it for public consumption and making it PHP 6 ready. If it can
>>> only be added in PHP6, then the amount of interest I personally have towards
>>> further evolution of this feature is very minimal.
>>> So for me personally, the practically of the feature's deployment is
>>> critical.
>>>
>>
>> Ilia, I understand what you're saying, but with this kind of attitude PHP
>> 6 might never arrive if we all keep putting only the things that are
>> practical for our (personal) usage into 5.3, 5.4, etc. The best way to
>> shorten the time horizon of 6 is to treat it as the primary target of the
>> development effort.
>>
>> -Andrei
>>
>
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