Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:44321 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 96541 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2009 19:02:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Jun 2009 19:02:15 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mls@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mls@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 88.198.8.16 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 88.198.8.16 bigtime.backendmedia.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [88.198.8.16] ([88.198.8.16:57643] helo=bigtime.backendmedia.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 60/34-31180-63CE73A4 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:02:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by bigtime.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B7631EBC015; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:04:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at backendmedia.com Received: from bigtime.backendmedia.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bigtime.backendmedia.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vKjXvGkGO7kf; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:04:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.0.151] (84-72-88-166.dclient.hispeed.ch [84.72.88.166]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mls@pooteeweet.org) by bigtime.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38C51EBC013; Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:04:54 +0200 (CEST) Cc: Derick Rethans , 'PHP Internals' Message-ID: <0FCAD6EF-803C-43BE-B2DB-09F5AE4D66ED@pooteeweet.org> To: Stanislav Malyshev In-Reply-To: <4A37EA3F.3010704@zend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:02:09 +0200 References: <4A31462B.1070302@zend.com> <4A37CEC2.7050001@zend.com> <0FD8F38A-205D-4B79-AE8A-E7AFE475BC17@pooteeweet.org> <4A37EA3F.3010704@zend.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) Subject: the role of RM's (as I see it) From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) On 16.06.2009, at 20:53, Stanislav Malyshev wrote: > We don't need to delay it if we decide to commit my (incomplete) fix > now. Anyway, it's your decision, one of the three: 1. leave it as > is, 2. commit incomplete fix now, 3. wait for complete fix. I agree > 3 is the worst, I'd go with 2 but if you decide to go with 1 that's > OK. Just to clarify how I see the job of an RM. Its not chief decision maker. Its decision facilitator. Only when with reasonable amount of time and input from the community no agreement/compromise can be found, I can see the RM act as a tie breaker. As such I prefer to get feedback from as many people as possible in a clear and concise manner that makes it easy for us RM's to understand the view points of the community, so that we can then simply sum of the conclusion of the discussion and ask someone to make the necessary changes. regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith mls@pooteeweet.org