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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Is there a technical reason <?= considered a "short
 tag"?
From: brianlmoon@php.net (Brian Moon)

On 6/5/09 2:17 PM, Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
> Hi!
>
>> So it feels like decoupling <?= from short_open_tag is on the table.
>> Rasmus or Stas, could you please propose exactly how this might happen?
>
> My proposal would be very simple:
> 1. short_open_tag setting removed in 6, <? is no longer PHP code tag
> under any circumstances.
> 2. <?= is always recognized by PHP as analogue to <?php echo
> 3. To prepare folks for this, 5.4 may have this:
> 3a. short_open_tag is off by default, but <? is recognized when it's on
> 3b. <?= is always recognized, as in (2) above
>
>> And while few want to talk about short tags (again), it's worth noting
>> that a discussion specific to decoupling really hasn't taken place
>> except for silence and a few "yeah, that might be alright... sometime"
>
> I was kind of under impression I talked about it so much at the time
> that everybody's sick of it, but maybe I'm wrong :)

No, #1 in your list is why people got sick of it.  You want to bind the 
decoupling of <?= as a short tag to the removal of short tags.  They are 
two different issues.

The only change I care to see is that <?= is always valid.  That would 
let me clean up templates in so many places.  As it is, I can't use that 
in any distributed project because "short tags" may be disabled.  Leave 
short tags forever for all I care.  Probably more work to remove them 
than it is to leave them in.

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Brian.
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