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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Is there a technical reason <?= considered a "short
 tag"?
From: stas@zend.com (Stanislav Malyshev)

Hi!

> So it feels like decoupling <?= from short_open_tag is on the table. 
> Rasmus or Stas, could you please propose exactly how this might happen? 

My proposal would be very simple:
1. short_open_tag setting removed in 6, <? is no longer PHP code tag 
under any circumstances.
2. <?= is always recognized by PHP as analogue to <?php echo
3. To prepare folks for this, 5.4 may have this:
3a. short_open_tag is off by default, but <? is recognized when it's on
3b. <?= is always recognized, as in (2) above

> And while few want to talk about short tags (again), it's worth noting 
> that a discussion specific to decoupling really hasn't taken place 
> except for silence and a few "yeah, that might be alright... sometime"

I was kind of under impression I talked about it so much at the time 
that everybody's sick of it, but maybe I'm wrong :)
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