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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:33:39 +0100
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To: David Coallier <davidc@php.net>, gsoc@lists.php.net
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 6 TODO list
From: hannes.magnusson@gmail.com (Hannes Magnusson)

(looping in gsoc@)

On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 00:39, David Coallier <davidc@php.net> wrote:
>> Scott did.
>> I have asked _multiple_ times about the status of the project, all I
>> got was "he passed".
>>
>> Quote from Scott (from few months ago):
>> "he was to implement unicode support in more modules and convert an application.
>>
>> He's in the process of writing a conversion guide and I believe he did
>> openssl, imap and updated date."
>>
>> I am still looking forward to see the results, even though its almost
>> a year behind schedule.
>
> Ah yeah I remember now. Well, in a way, good to know the student has
> passed. Did we get more % one the completion? I'd say that 69% is
> merely a change from the last 2 years.

IIRC, noone failed last year. One guy dropped out (the llvm guy).
From my perspective, he is the onlyone (with one exception) who
_really_ put work into his project - and do you remember his
application? WOW!
If he is still interested, I am willing to do my own personal "summer
of code" sponsoring his project (it'd be great if couple of guys would
join me on that one though.. :P).

The rest of the folks just got a "free pass" because their mentors
either didn't care or were to busy to review their "work".

Well, except for my student, obviously :) - He did everything he was
supposed to do (and even more then that), he participated on IRC and
sent out mails to the relevant mailingsts regularly.
Unfortunately, I didn't manage to convince him to devote his "free
time" after the "gsoc project" ended (which really is an shame - he
really did a good job and *our* project, and we really could use a guy
like him to continue working with us.


As a side note:
I was a "gsoc student" 2 years ago. I passed - even though "my mentor"
was totally unavailable. I didn't have any "secondary mentor".
Fortunately, I knew my way around php.net (as I had been a php.net
contributor for several years) so I "found myself" a new mentor
(Philip), and the project turned out to workout quite alright.


> Anyways, issues with students and progress should be somewhat resolved
> this year with the new approach to student mentoring and student
> reporting tasks I'd say.

I really hope so.
But I still would like stricter rules, both for acceptance (to the
project) and for project delivery.
Keep in mind, the students are expect to treat the project as a
near-full-time projects. Not a 2hours-a-week OSS work.

-Hannes