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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 10:17:11 -0500
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To: Hannes Magnusson <hannes.magnusson@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] GSoC 2009
From: sgkelly4@gmail.com (Graham Kelly)

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Hi,

I think that there needs to be more feedback from the community on how
projects are going and the way they should go. This might help to curb some
of the problems being discussed where there was a gap between the project
and what the community wants. Feedback would also help the student know how
he/she is performing on their project and gain confidence in their work or
see where they need to improve. Weekly or biweekly feedback and
communication between the student and the community would also help the
student get a better feel for open source development (as GSoC is kind of a
lighter version of the real thing). This in turn might make the student feel
more involved in the PHP community and want to stay around afterwords or at
the very least might make them better prepared/more intereested in future
open source devlopment.  I know that when I was doing it, I really never had
much feedack on the project, I mainly just went off what my mentor said.
However, the downside with community feedback is that too much of it could
be overwhealming for students and harsh feedback could just turn students
off from the project. This is why internals@ might not be a good list
(either too much or feedback not student oriented) and a gsoc@ list might be
more appropriate.

I also think that the project proposals submitted for GSoC aplications arent
quite enough of an outline of the project. (For instance, I really had no
clue how the project would go or what excatly i would need to do until I saw
the code I was working with for the first time.) As a result of this I think
that maybe a week or two into it the student should send (maybe in their
first report) a tentative schedule/list of goals they wish to accomplish for
the project.  At which point, the community could give feedback on that set
of goals. Likewise in addition to weekly/biweekly reports some sort of mid
point report and a final report should be done.

Lastly, I really think all the PHP GSoC projects should be hosted in PHP's
CVS under a central location (maybe something like
/repository/gsoc/2009/projectname/). It was very hard at times to find the
work done for other projects.

~ Graham

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Hannes Magnusson <
hannes.magnusson@gmail.com> wrote:

> Stop top-posting.
>
> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 15:17,  <barry@barrycarlyon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In that case why wasn't this pointed out last year, and I could of done
> > something more useful with my GSoC time last year......
>
> I did:
> http://php.markmail.org/message/qfdvnpspq2tqpdqu?q=gsoc+list:net.php.lists.internals+from:%22Hannes+Magnusson%22
>
> -Hannes
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