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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:26:34 +0100
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To: Marcus Boerger <helly@php.net>
Cc: Timm Friebe <thekid@thekid.de>, internals@lists.php.net, Andi Gutmans <andi@zend.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Method call improvements
From: hannes.magnusson@gmail.com (Hannes Magnusson)

(for the fun of it, I am CCing Andi, the CTO and senior VP of Zend)

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 21:17, Marcus Boerger <helly@php.net> wrote:
> Hello Timm,
>
> Friday, January 16, 2009, 9:35:13 PM, you wrote:
>
>> * At [1d], calculate a hash key for the following:
>>   - method->name
>>   - ce->name
>>   - EG(scope) ? EG(scope)->name : ""
>>   These are the only variables used for verifying scope and
>>   modifiers, and the verification is always going to yield the
>>   same result as long as the stay the same.
>
> Aren't we able to bind these at least partially to the function call
> opcode, in case we know they are constant? If all is constsnt we could
> even store the whole lookup in the opcode. Well you'd have to convince
> Zend to do that because os far they have always been against this
> approach.

Wait what? Wtf?
Why would an opinion from a company matter to us?

Sure. Dmitry does a kickass good job, but I can guarantee you that
Arnaud, Felipe, Tony and youself could do just as good job.

If I was king (with m4d skillz) I would fork that "Zend engine", try
to fix the license (which lies, there is no way of "downloading the
engine" from their website) and try to optimize things as much as
possible before it ever hits (almost non-existing) optimizers.

By saying this kind of things Marcus you make me very scared. You
shouldn't care what Zend, Yahoo, Facebook or whatever company says. If
you think it is the right decision then (quoting Christina Aguilera ;)
) "Do your thing honey!"

You were well on-track with your Closures commits, unfortunately that
didn't turn out quite as well neither of us had hoped for, but that is
life. Sometimes your ideas don't work out. Sometimes they do.
It hasn't stopped you so far, so why would it now?

-Hannes