Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41615 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 76719 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2008 17:21:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 17:21:59 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mls@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mls@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 88.198.8.16 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 88.198.8.16 bigtime.backendmedia.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [88.198.8.16] ([88.198.8.16:51524] helo=bigtime.backendmedia.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 18/C5-40320-6309C094 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 12:21:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by bigtime.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BA68414400B; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 17:22:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at backendmedia.com Received: from bigtime.backendmedia.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bigtime.backendmedia.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EoLQOSzB2eOw; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:22:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.84.16] (office-zh.liip.ch [91.192.102.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mls@pooteeweet.org) by bigtime.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2404144009; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:22:24 +0100 (CET) Cc: "'Rasmus Lerdorf'" , "'PHP Development'" Message-ID: To: "Mike R" In-Reply-To: <000701c93c26$c4007d40$4c0177c0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:20:26 +0100 References: <2077BA98-A58A-4EBD-8088-413654E878BC@pooteeweet.org> <490B5CC5.8040808@lerdorf.com> <000701c93c26$c4007d40$4c0177c0$@ca> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] keeping traffic on this list manageable From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) On 01.11.2008, at 14:35, Mike R wrote: > Behavioral change is exactly what is needed. The simplest way to > achieve > that is education and buy-in. A good start would be to document the > desired > behavior, in an isolated php-dev subscription page, in the form of a > _brief_ > terms of use, and have new subscribers acknowledge and agree to it. > There > could also be a cooling off period, where new subscribers are read- > only for > the first NN days - that'll let tempers and hair-triggers cool off. > The > core team is populated by some of the smartest people on the planet, > I'm > sure some other ideas can be bandied about and implemented to > achieve the > desired goal without resorting to moderation. We do have something along those lines: http://www.php.net/reST/php-src/README.MAILINGLIST_RULES Maybe it needs to be cut down (or just provide the key points at the top) and automatically appended to all emails (including the welcome email) .. regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith mls@pooteeweet.org