Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41611 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 47388 invoked from network); 1 Nov 2008 13:35:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Nov 2008 13:35:15 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=Johannes.Schlueter@Sun.COM; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=johannes@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 192.18.6.24 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: johannes@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 192.18.6.24 gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com Solaris 10 (beta) Received: from [192.18.6.24] ([192.18.6.24:50320] helo=gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 3C/01-40320-60B5C094 for ; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 08:35:14 -0500 Received: from fe-emea-10.sun.com (gmp-eb-lb-2-fe3.eu.sun.com [192.18.6.12]) by gmp-eb-inf-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id mA1DYuli000276 for ; Sat, 1 Nov 2008 13:34:56 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-emea-10.sun.com by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K9N00H01PFF1000@fe-emea-10.sun.com> (original mail from johannes@php.net) for internals@lists.php.net; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:34:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([88.217.70.220]) by fe-emea-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K9N007UUPQ3R440@fe-emea-10.sun.com>; Sat, 01 Nov 2008 13:34:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 14:34:50 +0100 In-reply-to: <2A034D56-FD8C-4AA1-9806-371B327ED393@macvicar.net> Sender: Johannes.Schlueter@Sun.COM To: Scott MacVicar Cc: Rasmus Lerdorf , Hannes Magnusson , Lukas Kahwe Smith , PHP Development Message-ID: <1225546490.3254.55.camel@goldfinger.johannes.nop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 (2.22.3.1-1.fc9) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <2077BA98-A58A-4EBD-8088-413654E878BC@pooteeweet.org> <490B5CC5.8040808@lerdorf.com> <7f3ed2c30810311252x7c4f1cb9ydd41a273f4089311@mail.gmail.com> <490B639A.8050905@lerdorf.com> <2A034D56-FD8C-4AA1-9806-371B327ED393@macvicar.net> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] keeping traffic on this list manageable From: johannes@php.net (Johannes =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schl=FCter?=) On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 23:35 +0000, Scott MacVicar wrote: > Users can still use reply on the internals list, so the poster can > still receive responses rather than relying on them being subscribed > to the internals list. So I see a mail in my inbox, then I'd have to check the internals folder scan through the mails there to see whether the poster was allowed to post there or not and if not forward the message? I doubt that happens. I expect the "core" guy reading the mail in his inbox will press "reply to all" and kick out some parts of the mail for not quoting the full mail. The "user" will miss his mail and forward it it to the public list. So on the "core" list you get a small part from the "user's" mail as a quote, the whole thing on the user's list ... which means the discussion gives two broken threads in two mailing lists. And even when it's forwarded threading would break which makes it hard to follow discussions. We'd have to make sure to use the "user's" list as regular discussion list and only put "important" stuff on the other list, but again I guess devs would use the more "comfortable" list more and more ... Anybody knows how other big projects are handling that? LKML for instance. Are people simply more afraid of sending stuff there or is there a smart way they use for moderation? johannes