Newsgroups: php.internals
Path: news.php.net
Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41608
Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm
Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.146.180 as permitted sender)
DomainKey-Status: bad
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws;
        d=gmail.com; s=gamma;
        h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version
         :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition
         :references;
        b=u8vj2uo5AYCR+gJ5zY0bGlRWyaOlmMBXUGIpzoPeBXPcK8pRRV7mI7VtA+SlGHLl4p
         4cZMfC5xpL8jy0JlOFXUprTIOzco7w1WUtPKXJCNViSewLTLxPDlpCZj4syGVBy6hzRY
         fSAHtJMA4Xa+CXHKGoVrv3n0djM5ap0rE3D3g=
Message-ID: <7f3ed2c30810311943u88a2734haf21d1890b74af3@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 03:43:53 +0100
To: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johannes_Schl=FCter?=" <johannes@php.net>
Cc: "Rasmus Lerdorf" <rasmus@lerdorf.com>, 
	"Lukas Kahwe Smith" <mls@pooteeweet.org>, 
	"PHP Development" <internals@lists.php.net>
In-Reply-To: <1225493220.3254.39.camel@goldfinger.johannes.nop>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Disposition: inline
References: <2077BA98-A58A-4EBD-8088-413654E878BC@pooteeweet.org>
	 <490B5CC5.8040808@lerdorf.com>
	 <7f3ed2c30810311252x7c4f1cb9ydd41a273f4089311@mail.gmail.com>
	 <490B639A.8050905@lerdorf.com>
	 <7f3ed2c30810311313i48390eaat279d88fe291b9f16@mail.gmail.com>
	 <1225493220.3254.39.camel@goldfinger.johannes.nop>
Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] keeping traffic on this list manageable
From: hannes.magnusson@gmail.com ("Hannes Magnusson")

On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 23:46, Johannes Schl=FCter <johannes@php.net> wrote=
:
> On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 21:13 +0100, Hannes Magnusson wrote:
>>
>> I have more faith in our devs then that.
[snip a good chunk of stuff]


> Additionally I guess it would split discussions, so a "core" person
> proposes something to internals-readonly, then discussions happen on
> both lists with some cross-postings and some mails of a thread missing
> in one list - sounds annoying.

A '"core" person' is exactly the guy who I have faith in.
If '"core" person' cannot respect the community he should be booted
from php.net ASAP!
A real core guy is subscribed to both list (probably with internals@
with slightly lower reading priority though).

I don't give *********** what his/her name is, Sam Ruby, Andrei,
Rasmus, Zeev (or any other "PHP Group" member), Johannes, Derick, Ilia
(or any other "release master"), Jani, Tony, Zoy, Philip, Greg,
Dmitry, Felipe, Melvyn Sopacua (have you heard that name before?
checkout phpcredits())........ I don't give a dmn what your name is.
If you don't listen and respect the community you should be booted
ASAP!


I have a great deal of faith in the individual developer who actually cares=
.
I have no faith in the enterprises or huge corporations who try to
manipulate everything and everyone they touch.

With a focused team we can do anything we want. With a team distracted
of fuckedup politics and wtf "problems" we can't do anything.

-Hannes