Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41596 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 9569 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2008 19:30:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Oct 2008 19:30:20 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 204.11.219.139 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 204.11.219.139 mail.lerdorf.com Received: from [204.11.219.139] ([204.11.219.139:54479] helo=mail.lerdorf.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 56/18-00587-ACC5B094 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:30:20 -0500 Received: from trainburn-lm.corp.yahoo.com (trainburn-lm.corp.yahoo.com [207.126.233.11]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.lerdorf.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id m9VJUDBh002940 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:30:15 -0700 Message-ID: <490B5CC5.8040808@lerdorf.com> Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:30:13 -0700 User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0a2pre (Macintosh; 2008071516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lukas Kahwe Smith CC: PHP Development References: <2077BA98-A58A-4EBD-8088-413654E878BC@pooteeweet.org> In-Reply-To: <2077BA98-A58A-4EBD-8088-413654E878BC@pooteeweet.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH authentication, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (mail.lerdorf.com [204.11.219.139]); Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] keeping traffic on this list manageable From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) A simpler approach might be to just make the mailing list software enforce a 1 email per 24-hour day per user. It would require a bit more upfront work to munge the software, but wouldn't require any ongoing effort. Moderation can get messy since it isn't simply spam we or off-topic messages we are trying to control here, it is the volume, quality and timeliness of on-topic messages. I'm not sure moderation is the answer to that. We need a behavioural change here. -Rasmus