Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41592 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 83260 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2008 18:03:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Oct 2008 18:03:27 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mls@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mls@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 88.198.8.16 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 88.198.8.16 bigtime.backendmedia.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [88.198.8.16] ([88.198.8.16:44108] helo=bigtime.backendmedia.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 9C/82-00587-D684B094 for ; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:03:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by bigtime.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60845414400F; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:03:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at backendmedia.com Received: from bigtime.backendmedia.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bigtime.backendmedia.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p7ke7ohKhujA; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:03:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.84.16] (office-zh.liip.ch [91.192.102.250]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mls@pooteeweet.org) by bigtime.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A24E414400B; Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:03:45 +0100 (CET) Cc: Marshall Greenblatt , internals@lists.php.net Message-ID: <4D9A8597-EFE6-418A-B7F6-EAD9ED2361A5@pooteeweet.org> To: Stanislav Malyshev In-Reply-To: <490747B2.2010201@zend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:02:16 +0100 References: <49048EC1.9060908@chiaraquartet.net> <49061E01.8060503@zend.com> <11c607a60810271344i1a8cf53fl149447ad2f687f99@mail.gmail.com> <490628DB.9060209@zend.com> <11c607a60810271422l68949427pe31786275b0b152c@mail.gmail.com> <08747094-6B50-4A0D-9057-DFD12108B6C6@caedmon.net> <94CCB864-179A-48DA-A89A-3859796A9257@pooteeweet.org> <49063A1D.7070804@zend.com> <4906405F.7090205@zend.com> <490747B2.2010201@zend.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace separator and whining From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) Hi I have tried to collect the various opinions on resolution order into a single RFC: http://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaceresolution Proactive damage control: I have also included some discussion on how the removable of function/ constants would affect the question of namespace resolution order choices. Lets not use this to get back on to the topic of the namespace separator and instead focus on the namespace resolution for now. First lets get an RFC that documents all approaches for namespace resolution in perfect shape. Divide and conquer. Furthermore, we have all noticed that the participation on the list has increased a lot in the recent weeks. As a result I ask everybody to restrain themselves a bit more. Try to not reply on an impulse, maybe wait a few hours before posting. This way we might reduce redundant replies, also the quality of posts will hopefully be higher so less misconceptions will need to be cleared later (and misconceptions have a way to spiral into flamewars). regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith mls@pooteeweet.org