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To: "Lester Caine" <lester@lsces.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] RE: </endnamespacediscussion>
From: tudor.prodan@gmail.com ("Tudor Prodan")

Well, given how much PHP has copied from C (and I mean that in a good
way), why not copy the sane, less-controversial namespace separator
and behavior that we all know and love?

\Tudor



On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Lester Caine <lester@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
> Tudor Prodan wrote:
>>
>> PHP has to be unique, using the double colon notation would be too
>> cliche, but if we're not respecting conventions, why not go with
>> something more exotic? I've always liked the o with the slash trough
>> it. The e with the horizontal colon is also pretty nice. The n with
>> the tilde over it, it so strongly says _n_amespace.
>>
>> When I read this message first thing I did was check the date, but
>> deep down I knew it wasn't April yet.
>>
>> One of the top reasons why I hate using windows consoles is the
>> dreaded "\" character.
>>
>> Each and every keyboard model I have has this key in a different
>> place, sometimes one hard to reach. Every time I'm in doing a cd in
>> windows I press 2-3 other keys while going for the backslash.
>>
>> That whole rating table over on the PHP wiki is just ridiculous.
>> - type-ability: come on. If anything, it should get -1 there
>> - typo-vulnerability: pretty big, but I think most problems will be
>> escaping rather than typos anyway
>> - number of chars: any sane person will agree that you can write
>> "::" a lot faster than "\"
>> - editor integration: not really, many editors will have trouble,
>> including vim
>>
>> I eagerly await namespaces in PHP, but guys, if you don't have a good
>> idea, I think copying is better than implementing a bad one.
>
> Tudor - There is little point reiterating half of the facts. There are very
> good reasons why - for PHP - a simple solution was not working. MANY people
> were coming up with problems as to why the currently implemented 'solution'
> was only going to create a black hole at some point, and what ever was doing
> to be done was going to cause problems somewhere.
>
> The backslash is not ideal, but I think we all need to get behind it rather
> than complaining. The only other real alternative today is to shelve
> namespaces altogether for the next release rather than putting something in
> that is simply not practical to extend later?
>
> Given the polarised views a total solution that everybody could agree with
> was just not happening!
>
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