Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41394 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 68549 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2008 21:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Oct 2008 21:19:38 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.198.236 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.198.236 rv-out-0506.google.com Received: from [209.85.198.236] ([209.85.198.236:35295] helo=rv-out-0506.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E6/E2-46868-9EED4094 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:19:38 -0500 Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so1940781rvb.23 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:19:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=5tMoEyWfydpHsdDdGTXMHkxcqIpAnGMkER+ourfu5pM=; b=AK6elAnkJ1qZ6ldUJyLaBDik0dZSYKFPCGgxTB7v7hCvPyhT05kXSmztk6aOWUSE/o yRhg/ai9smCUB04Os0UWVGSpDaj35eq0UX4SWfghRhpFYZnJ8tkxG3bc0ULZoKPG0UAV FlLgRCKkqgDGNLB0d1LwvZdmbJb7m9SiK3DaQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=w6WdN3BypNiK3hTAOh/Za1wMUPI0QJkuuo0vO3v2PkQSmNDhlfEGuW5kc8tHttQs1q 6G0jXSHNVrSFfpRSZDtW8ChCl9dHQAtqC2HWYfFlyRS4tQ8heHeaJCDcRDMrwjpRiBe/ 0tFMeJlAcGvES6kFS7Bo36iIi49njmGE3QzcI= Received: by 10.141.5.3 with SMTP id h3mr2788849rvi.138.1225055974782; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.178.14 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:19:34 -0700 To: "Lukas Kahwe Smith" Cc: "Sebastian Bergmann" , internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: <6BBBBBAF-E67A-4207-8068-BB609B4A3BDE@pooteeweet.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49048EC1.9060908@chiaraquartet.net> <6BBBBBAF-E67A-4207-8068-BB609B4A3BDE@pooteeweet.org> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace separator and whining From: pierre.php@gmail.com ("Pierre Joye") On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > As was evident from the discussions in the past weeks, a lot of people > commented, most of which did not spend the necessary time to actually > understand the issues at hand. Given that it did indeed make it impossible > to bring this topic to a conclusion on the list. > > As for transparency, I see no issues. The decision process was entirely > transparent, albeit the final decision meeting was not open to all. Again > everybody that cares had weeks/months (actually years) to bring up his POV. > In the end there were 10 people (including both RMs) that made a final > decision and that are prepared to take the blame. To make my point more clear: I respect the decision even if I'm not completely happy about it (that's what we call a compromise). But my comment to Greg and Steph was about the danger of abusing of private discussions not about having held this meeting on IRC. -- Pierre http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org