Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41389 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 53622 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2008 19:33:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Oct 2008 19:33:47 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=jani.taskinen@sci.fi; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=jani.taskinen@sci.fi; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain sci.fi from 63.208.196.179 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: jani.taskinen@sci.fi X-Host-Fingerprint: 63.208.196.179 mho-02-bos.mailhop.org Received: from [63.208.196.179] ([63.208.196.179:50730] helo=mho-02-bos.mailhop.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C1/E0-46868-716C4094 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:33:43 -0500 Received: from gprs-prointernet-ff3b6a00-152.dhcp.inet.fi ([93.106.59.152] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by mho-02-bos.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1KuBMn-000CvR-J7; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:33:38 +0000 X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 93.106.59.152 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: U2FsdGVkX19VIs6p8UtVgEldVKf+rGSrNX7RkbQT0Zk= Message-ID: <4904C60A.8010008@sci.fi> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:33:30 +0200 Reply-To: jani.taskinen@iki.fi User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Windows/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lukas Kahwe Smith CC: Sebastian Bergmann , internals@lists.php.net References: <49048EC1.9060908@chiaraquartet.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace separator and whining From: jani.taskinen@sci.fi (Jani Taskinen) Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > On 26.10.2008, at 19:07, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: >> Greg Beaver wrote: >>> The decision is made, now I suggest everyone get busy actually trying >>> it out. >> >> How are we supposed to try it out? There is no updated implementation >> yet, and I would rather discuss a specification instead. >> >> It was mentioned on IRC that internal functions have to be prefixed with >> \ when used in a namespaced file. Without a fallback. This is insane. >> >> We should either disallow functions and constants in namespaces which, >> as far as I understand the issue, got us into the trouble, or remove the >> feature completely. > > Sebastian, you have not participated in the discussion so far. Now you > post a rumor you picked up on IRC into an already heated situation. You > do know full well that it does not require you to point out that this > would indeed be problematic (since people who are participating in this > discussion are actually aware of this). So do us all the favor and stop > and think a second before you post the next time. So now the decisions are done in IRC..? Didn't we once agree that that does not work since not everyone is there all the time? And I must agree with Sebastian: How do you test something that isn't even implemented yet? :D NOTE: I do not give a damn about namespaces as long as they're optional. :) For me prefixing has been enough for quite a long time and I don't see the need for this syntax sugar. ;) --Jani