Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41388 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 40079 invoked from network); 26 Oct 2008 18:29:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Oct 2008 18:29:55 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mls@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mls@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 88.198.8.16 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 88.198.8.16 bigtime.backendmedia.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [88.198.8.16] ([88.198.8.16:55327] helo=bigtime.backendmedia.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id BF/4B-64555-227B4094 for ; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:29:55 -0500 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by bigtime.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0150414400F; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:30:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at backendmedia.com Received: from bigtime.backendmedia.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bigtime.backendmedia.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cv7ATCGMJgCv; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:30:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.151] (84-72-95-208.dclient.hispeed.ch [84.72.95.208]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mls@pooteeweet.org) by bigtime.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 603C44144009; Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:30:26 +0100 (CET) Cc: internals@lists.php.net Message-ID: To: Sebastian Bergmann In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:28:52 +0100 References: <49048EC1.9060908@chiaraquartet.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespace separator and whining From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) On 26.10.2008, at 19:07, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > Greg Beaver wrote: >> The decision is made, now I suggest everyone get busy actually trying >> it out. > > How are we supposed to try it out? There is no updated implementation > yet, and I would rather discuss a specification instead. > > It was mentioned on IRC that internal functions have to be prefixed > with > \ when used in a namespaced file. Without a fallback. This is insane. > > We should either disallow functions and constants in namespaces which, > as far as I understand the issue, got us into the trouble, or remove > the > feature completely. Sebastian, you have not participated in the discussion so far. Now you post a rumor you picked up on IRC into an already heated situation. You do know full well that it does not require you to point out that this would indeed be problematic (since people who are participating in this discussion are actually aware of this). So do us all the favor and stop and think a second before you post the next time. regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith mls@pooteeweet.org