Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41308 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 6740 invoked from network); 21 Oct 2008 11:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Oct 2008 11:52:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.26.183 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.26.183 c2beaomr05.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.26.183] ([213.123.26.183:22240] helo=c2beaomr05.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 25/70-03572-E72CDF84 for ; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:52:30 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (host81-138-11-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.138.11.136]) by c2beaomr05.btconnect.com (MOS 3.8.6-GA) with ESMTP id BAQ07296; Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:52:23 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <48FDC210.2080106@lsces.co.uk> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:50:40 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.17) Gecko/20080829 SeaMonkey/1.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP internals References: <48F89F19.9040405@croscon.com> <3D.16.21706.F3CCCF84@pb1.pair.com> <015101c932e3$a37fb370$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <200810202046.51235.et@php.net> <015c01c932e5$3671ff70$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <8c35d7690810201245y29abc7ffo528fa3f9391fad01@mail.gmail.com> <48FCFA26.6010703@gmail.com> <022d01c932f6$202eee60$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <646095388F084934B3647141FF1B459C@pc> <9b3df6a50810210117n5f387b91tb9cb04d48db72037@mail.gmail.com> <006c01c93362$ca3c4990$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> In-Reply-To: <006c01c93362$ca3c4990$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr05.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A090204.48FDC27B.022E,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=127.0.0.1, so=2007-10-30 19:00:17, dmn=5.7.1/2008-09-02 X-Junkmail-IWF: false Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Namespace issues From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Steph Fox wrote: > What we're hearing here about European keyboard layouts is useful info > because it gives some idea of how popular/unpopular the backslash would > be as a solution and why, but it shouldn't carry as much weight as the > accessibility argument against the triple colon. One is liveable, if not > optimal, whereas the other is plainly not liveable for some. We've > already heard two workarounds for the backslash issues, but there are > none at all for ::: + imperfect eyesight. I should probably apologise for bringing up the keyboard question, but I did so purely because a number of people had mentioned the problem. I was just trying to refer to the general problem that while many of the symbols used are on US keyboards, they may well be used for local characters on other layouts, and can be difficult to access for some developers. I was just trying to flag a general problem that is often ignored rather than the specific /::: one. > Clarity and simplicity are the two chief requisites. We're all fully > aware of that, from Engine developer to n00b, so there's really no point > in discussing it to death on-list at this stage. Have we reached a consensus? Or is this still a little open ended? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php