Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41276 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 82098 invoked from network); 19 Oct 2008 11:34:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 19 Oct 2008 11:34:39 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=steph@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=steph@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 64.99.136.179 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: steph@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 64.99.136.179 smtprelay-virgin0179.hostedemail.com Received: from [64.99.136.179] ([64.99.136.179:44889] helo=smtprelay-virgin.hostedemail.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 7E/B6-29559-D4B1BF84 for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 07:34:37 -0400 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay08.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BC8C226084A; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:34:33 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2,0,0,5b7eadb89e12cfe2,691ff1dea13fdf9b,steph@php.net,lester@lsces.co.uk:internals@lists.php.net,RULES_HIT:152:355:379:539:540:541:542:543:567:599:601:945:967:973:988:989:1155:1156:1260:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1541:1587:1593:1594:1676:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2073:2075:2078:2198:2199:2393:2525:2559:2563:2682:2685:2692:2857:2859:2901:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3027:3280:3352:3622:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3874:3876:3877:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:4250:4470:5007:6114:6261:7653:7679:7875:7903:8987:9025,0,RBL:none,CacheIP:none,Bayesian:0.5,0.5,0.5,Netcheck:none,DomainCache:0,MSF:not bulk,SPF:,MSBL:none,DNSBL:none Received: from foxbox (62-31-252-63.cable.ubr07.shef.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.252.63]) (Authenticated sender: steph.fox) by omf11.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:34:32 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <004701c931de$e7d53460$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> To: "Lester Caine" , "PHP internals" References: <48F89F19.9040405@croscon.com> <48F8D221.4090805@rowe-clan.net> <610432496.20081018230350@marcus-boerger.de> <798986500.20081018235654@marcus-boerger.de> <6F.F1.37817.AC67AF84@pb1.pair.com> <48FADBF9.1030704@lsces.co.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:36:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-session-marker: 73746570682E666F78 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Namespace issues From: steph@php.net ("Steph Fox") Hi Lester, > And there are no problems with those on foreign keyboards? If there are, those foreign keyboards are unable to offer either escaped chars or MS paths... which seems highly unlikely. > But do I still understand that there is an alternative method that was not > part of this last round of voting? And needs to be reviewed in light of > the current 'consensus' ? It was linked from Greg's proposals too: http://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaceref. Basically (assuming that we're saying we want ns support for functions/constants) Stas avoids the need for a second ns separator by using the syntax Name->Member for static access. The 'avoid the need for second ns separator' part of Stas' proposal has widespread support according to the poll, it's just a case of figuring a way to manage this without introducing ambiguity into the code. Both Stas' proposal and Greg's option #3 are flawed in that way (either to humans or to the Engine), so the search is on to find a solution that isn't ambivalent to either - always assuming it's possible. - Steph