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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Namespace issues
From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger)

Hello David,

Sunday, October 19, 2008, 1:02:21 PM, you wrote:

>>>>
>>> shift+;(x3) vs \
>>

> Ok I'll try to make a very neutral comment. For the moment most are
> still using an english keyboard (no matter which english in this case
> and I'd actually be interested in knowing numbers for a fact if
> anyone's got something) and ergonomically speaking, ::: is much easier
> to type than \ for those who actually learned to type with the adsf
> jkl; keyboard. When you learn typing you usually learn to type using
> the left-hand side shift key for "most" of the letters/words, for
> instance typing : doesn't require a movement of the right hand since
> your pinky is already on the ; key whereas the \ key requires a
> "not-so-used" movement of the hand.

> Anyways, I was just saying that without considering the question
> because I absolutely don't feel like redicussing this over and over.
> We have had a massive list fight over 3-4 years ago about it and I'm
> not getting into this one.

All good points :-)

So for typing it sounds to me like both would work as a compromise well
enough. Also on a german keyboard layout a backslash is in the same
category than the ':'. Personally I think however that I would to often
confuse myself with typing '::' vs ':::'. Often enough I find myself typing
the wrong char, typing delete as many times as necessary to go back to the
wrong char and then typing correct again. And in those case I mostly do not
look at the screen. I look at the keyboard to ensure I type what I wanted,
fixing my hand position, no longer seeing whether that is what I needed to
type. And this works for '::' vs '\' becasue they are completely different
but I think it does not work for '::' vs ':::', simply becasue that is not
a different enough and probably I know what to type always but confusing
myself with hitting the key the right amount of times.

The other parts are:
a) do we need one - I think so - because it means we solve any issue once
and forever
b) what reads better ':::' or '\'. Personally I think both work fine for
me. But I agree with Steph that other people might have a hard time
differenciating them.

> -- 
> Slan,
> David




Best regards,
 Marcus