Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41262 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 7743 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2008 19:56:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 18 Oct 2008 19:56:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=phpwnd@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=phpwnd@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.198.235 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: phpwnd@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.198.235 rv-out-0506.google.com Received: from [209.85.198.235] ([209.85.198.235:44656] helo=rv-out-0506.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 74/E4-11719-E6F3AF84 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 15:56:31 -0400 Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so1315881rvb.23 for ; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:56:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=2uL4jJQP13PLh7b1xucj8N6LKWEvthltE4T5ZyWoS58=; b=bxeWvzfHaRWv03PocqTa5q6oJ8kB59I8CBLoHh0+c/9AgDu2NRFqccV123u7GzBGwV dg2Zmzyl4NooMhDwofhhfs/W15EYFiLlwydvBZ1+FpKyNU7kDOASlXaf8j/dOzY2M3IL Wd1UmsT4QgQvvDucFMff1y/xhKaOD3UgDfqao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=VFD7GO1zyvT0QTKeAniUqvm5WEI7cqoe3D1QZdrB/GzKr23MY52eLRQ3MRnMTxkmQZ qBjyEtF3wFVreUgvQF97YbfAtXfzudQqH4g4e261UjctHLZoO0HLV+JX+R2f/E8Li2My YKLpy7ID8O8Pib7IxGXmChevDImXzkYiddZlY= Received: by 10.141.198.2 with SMTP id a2mr3545655rvq.47.1224359788599; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.83.21 with HTTP; Sat, 18 Oct 2008 12:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <11c607a60810181256s689e0669se5d38585775ee34@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:56:28 +0200 To: "Steph Fox" Cc: "Daniel Brown" , "Keryx Web" , internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: <03f601c93152$e459a7d0$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <02fe01c92fc6$0b2d0660$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <021f01c9306e$a1e36560$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <029d01c93074$92080af0$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <48FA007D.9070404@keryx.se> <11c607a60810181128h8875d2aka4d8897cc9cbc821@mail.gmail.com> <11c607a60810181141i41756a52ladfd5d47fb5e699d@mail.gmail.com> <03f601c93152$e459a7d0$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Sanity tally #2 From: phpwnd@gmail.com ("Josh Davis") 2008/10/18 Steph Fox : > I did actually keep tabs on this. Yes the choice of separator played a part > for many. However there were just as many who were happy with it - and the > same would have applied whatever separator was used. What I'm wondering is how many of those "many" voted for or against a proposition for the wrong reason. For instance, how many users understood that 2 is not about the use of triple colon? If someone disregarded 2 because of the triple colon then it was a mistake, as the triple colon was only an example. And I'm not saying it would change the result of that poll, if a poll on which separator to use had been conducted perhaps the triple colon would have won--it has had good numbers in the past. In the end, what I'm wondering is how reliable people are when asked about their opinion. Usually not much, but you know that already. > However, the public part of this debate is over now. The Big 3 are very > aware of the tally and are very capable of drawing their own conclusions > from it. Everyone else on internals@ never wants to read 'the N word' ever > again. Well, I'm sure that people are very capable of drawing their own conclusions, but I like to entertain the idea that clarifying a responses can't hurt if you can bear the few extra emails in your folder. As for reading the N word... well, realistically I'd suggest creating a filter on your mail client :] In this very thread you still see people voting even though it was announced somewhere else that the poll was closed, so I don't really see it dying anytime soon, sorry. With that said, I'd enjoy having less noise on the list as much as anyone else. -JD