Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41155 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 24596 invoked from network); 16 Oct 2008 17:40:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Oct 2008 17:40:56 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=steph@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=steph@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 64.99.136.167 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: steph@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 64.99.136.167 smtprelay-virgin0167.hostedemail.com Received: from [64.99.136.167] ([64.99.136.167:39531] helo=smtprelay-virgin.hostedemail.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 0D/0A-12818-7AC77F84 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:40:56 -0400 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay07.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C1C1D1714CF1; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:40:53 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2,0,0,95e8a38782215274,691ff1dea13fdf9b,steph@php.net,nrixham@gmail.com:greg@chiaraquartet.net:stas@zend.com:mls@pooteeweet.org:internals@lists.php.net,RULES_HIT:355:379:539:540:541:542:543:567:599:601:973:988:989:1155:1156:1260:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1541:1587:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2073:2075:2078:2194:2199:2393:2559:2562:2828:3027:3352:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3876:3877:4470:5007:6114:6261:7653:7875:7901:7903:9010:9108,0,RBL:none,CacheIP:none,Bayesian:0.5,0.5,0.5,Netcheck:none,DomainCache:0,MSF:not bulk,SPF:,MSBL:none,DNSBL:none Received: from foxbox (62-31-252-63.cable.ubr07.shef.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.252.63]) (Authenticated sender: steph.fox) by omf10.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:40:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <025a01c92fb6$95d8b350$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> To: , "Greg Beaver" Cc: "Stanislav Malyshev" , "Lukas Kahwe Smith" , "PHP Developers Mailing List" References: <48F653FF.5010106@chiaraquartet.net> <48F75FA1.7020505@zend.com> <0C55B977-3835-4CB0-A23B-8AA684B71C18@pooteeweet.org> <48F772CD.80600@zend.com> <48F775DD.5010202@chiaraquartet.net> <48F777B4.2050609@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:42:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-session-marker: 73746570682E666F78 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] my last attempt at sanity with namespaces From: steph@php.net ("Steph Fox") > after much more thought I think you're option #2 is actually best however > the choice of ":::" separator in the example really confuses things and > makes at an instant turn off.. This concept was originally presented using the ".." separator, and has been presented with others since. The separator isn't the issue with option #2 so much as that it's not a familar approach from other languages, and it's not particularly intuitive either. I like #2 too, but it's become apparent from the voting pattern that people really don't get it. We had a long discussion on the list about this exact option using the ':::' separator earlier in the week where many agreed to it in theory, but didn't actually recognise the exact same proposal when they saw it on the wiki. I think that pretty much disqualifies it as a solution for ns resolution in PHP, sadly. If people on this list aren't able to fully grasp the concept, it doesn't have a hope in user space. - Steph