Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41070 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 62022 invoked from network); 15 Oct 2008 12:56:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Oct 2008 12:56:30 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=david.zuelke@bitextender.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=david.zuelke@bitextender.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain bitextender.com from 80.237.132.12 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: david.zuelke@bitextender.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 80.237.132.12 wp005.webpack.hosteurope.de Received: from [80.237.132.12] ([80.237.132.12:37793] helo=wp005.webpack.hosteurope.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 57/2F-19544-B78E5F84 for ; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:56:28 -0400 Received: from munich.bitxtender.net ([85.183.90.3] helo=[10.224.254.2]); authenticated by wp005.webpack.hosteurope.de running ExIM using esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) id 1Kq5vM-00064F-1n; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:56:24 +0200 Cc: Lukas Kahwe Smith , PHP Development Message-ID: <3B114D01-DA15-4630-BF90-C84395CC99E7@bitextender.com> To: Derick Rethans In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-2-955047065; micalg=sha1; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:56:20 +0200 References: <3CF765DF-27AF-44FD-9ECF-BEBFC8A0AFCA@pooteeweet.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-bounce-key: webpack.hosteurope.de;david.zuelke@bitextender.com;1224075388;38201d9a; Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespaces and alpha3 From: david.zuelke@bitextender.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?David_Z=FClke?=) --Apple-Mail-2-955047065 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Am 15.10.2008 um 09:04 schrieb Derick Rethans: > As we're getting really close to 5.3, I would suggest to remove > namespaces from this release as we're simply not done with even > agreeing > on how things should work. PHP 5.3 has many other cool things, and > leaving namespaces for PHP 6 means we're actually introducing > functionality there as well (for the folks that don't care about > Unicode). We've done with namespaces for a loooong time, and they've > never really been *required*. Many people won't be able to use it any > way as they have to support older PHP versions in their code base as > well. PHP 6 is a much more natural switch for something like this. > If we *absolutely *have* to* have namespaces, then we should go with > the > "Namespaces without functions/constants" proposal, with some tweaks. > However, I still think it's not ready enough to put even that into > 5.3. My thoughts exactly. I realize it's a bold move, but it's a much better alternative than the fuzz about an implementation that doesn't work, or is incomplete, or needs to be broken in the future to add new stuff. - David --Apple-Mail-2-955047065 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGXDCCAxUw ggJ+oAMCAQICEHvgrI6DXM4XmK4XvhB7lh4wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA4MDgyMjE0MjEzOVoXDTA5MDgyMjE0MjEz OVowTjEfMB0GA1UEAxMWVGhhd3RlIEZyZWVtYWlsIE1lbWJlcjErMCkGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYcZGF2 aWQuenVlbGtlQGJpdGV4dGVuZGVyLmNvbTCCASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEB ANx+fe+8oUaO+fotZryRBmD3NAP00QikUIqIyZKiwJ4BS9M8DdqN0lAh443rdw1h/H0NVkDMv7+7 MnSUYKU+BTwulvU7WDGLm7JGkXXWkGl5vHUnUWltUkk8ImUDiunYPnuyUVyQlnZkp1ThihYoR4xo MmiiC+6mHLl8FzMKimOU/UREpGfyLqYhsNdXiVgm+W8feO6aY3fDaenn9EVZEXJs6t7KxLpCIlD2 8+0dHlX+91vV4a9zfMObjEkLW3w/uBTT+uHypySHo/EWw0/pOD34sMdhSh0Xyr4un+Uv/DHH1ft3 5TJq6DEIrIL4iUpGa7Nsqjoah5SgpWwJY+gWaC8CAwEAAaNcMFowDgYDVR0PAQH/BAQDAgSwMBEG CWCGSAGG+EIBAQQEAwIFIDAnBgNVHREEIDAegRxkYXZpZC56dWVsa2VAYml0ZXh0ZW5kZXIuY29t MAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQADgYEAbEPiMjevqmbl2NuGieZkF5fNV1Uhr0dL wGDDxIcIHGnBeEBVy/5NpAKJUCU4lqG+bqD1S4MdyyLxvzlhOSZEqjcEwtwXqLVsaDakYFHsRGaS DU160+1b/wlf8/OR5tof7y5MA8p6MSQHjXWOy38A71wvwFowGZPF5lY617W5mUMwggM/MIICqKAD AgECAgENMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBD YXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYD VQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVy c29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0 ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMwNzE3MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMG A1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNv bmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVz VftOucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Va qj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYkKhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20Txh BEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGjgZQwgZEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0 hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRoYXd0ZS5jb20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNV HQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0RBCIwIKQeMBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqG SIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM0VCD6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCT cDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZGwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo0 5RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC3CEZNd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIDEDCCAwwCAQEwdjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEl MCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBl cnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECEHvgrI6DXM4XmK4XvhB7lh4wCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCC AW8wGAYJKoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDgxMDE1MTI1NjIx WjAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQQxFgQUzJrGiNYySu9QzBQwHwJ7M1TpmmQwgYUGCSsGAQQBgjcQBDF4MHYw YjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAq BgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhB74KyOg1zOF5iuF74Q e5YeMIGHBgsqhkiG9w0BCRACCzF4oHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBD b25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJ c3N1aW5nIENBAhB74KyOg1zOF5iuF74Qe5YeMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUABIIBADldFnQT3fPMZTNP Sp7/4zUT3FeZ6TXRgGbZKgpXjfEJtdclhEYIFy2aeOW1qLxHrOJxb69rC7qbnDnTbz43x1WcJbL/ 9iDEQA1vs5EKPs2cC70Aveiqkr35RbBH4+e36ARbvFq20ClecbIh5f1Ne0ffRF++FRTdKkTbZCUl I+BNiKjWLQVKqiOFdLeX1F3qhtywDAskY0ZXivau9hgUh7rDDNVi1h+z7wiETGpdrCe4P5S2TsjR 4jgMWFwasM6hm++siKOAhse9f6iE6iGjFoza8w81vDYjKinFMBNN0k+w14Uf3TP8RAO6pqx7gRCt 1X2T64gWvliSadpNWuPourQAAAAAAAA= --Apple-Mail-2-955047065--