Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41041 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 14717 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 22:49:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 22:49:47 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=jochem@iamjochem.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=jochem@iamjochem.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain iamjochem.com from 194.109.193.121 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: jochem@iamjochem.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 194.109.193.121 mx1.moulin.nl Linux 2.6 Received: from [194.109.193.121] ([194.109.193.121:60292] helo=mx1.moulin.nl) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id CF/27-25867-90225F84 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 18:49:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.moulin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3636287960; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:49:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at moulin.nl Received: from mx1.moulin.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx1.moulin.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ar+nGcQbobBt; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:49:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.13.104] (ip129-15-211-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl [87.211.15.129]) by mx1.moulin.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90542286E79; Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:49:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48F52201.9000805@iamjochem.com> Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:49:37 +0200 User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (Macintosh/20080914) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andi Gutmans CC: Lukas Kahwe Smith , Steph Fox , Stas Malyshev , PHP internals References: <696583.1217.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <037801c92e27$c913f3a0$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <48F4E520.5050200@lsces.co.uk> <48F4E824.7020104@zend.com> <002901c92e2f$acdac990$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <48F4F160.1040407@zend.com> <004d01c92e35$20c9cbd0$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <48F4F7EE.2030609@zend.com> <007b01c92e37$b2952e90$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <48F4FAF4.50509@zend.com> <00e101c92e3c$d5194b90$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <48F5075C.2050807@zend.com> <31748C8A-66EA-4A27-9E27-486A4C398F5D@pooteeweet.org> <018401c92e41$ef89b0a0$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE021B6406@us-ex1.zend.net> In-Reply-To: <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE021B6406@us-ex1.zend.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespaces and alpha3 From: jochem@iamjochem.com (Jochem Maas) Andi Gutmans schreef: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Lukas Kahwe Smith [mailto:mls@pooteeweet.org] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 2:15 PM >> To: Steph Fox >> Cc: Stas Malyshev; PHP internals >> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespaces and alpha3 >> >> err .. you misunderstood me .. Dmitry wasnt happy with his approach .. >> last I heard Greg also stopped exploring his alternative approaches. >> so dont hold you breath. > > As I said, I talked to Dmitry today and he was OK with it. > I do think there's also a good chance to make progress with Greg. I'd like to reiterate that I gave a +1 on posponing till 6.0. If it turns out that some form of the latest proposal (by Stas) get's an OK from Greg then I'd change my vote (for what it's worth) to align with Greg's ... I followed Greg's analysis and proposed solutions very closely, if he end's up giving an OK to some form of Stas' latest proposal then that would likely indicate a situation/feature that is really worth releasing. basically: if Greg gives a 'thumbs up' all the nay-sayers should take note! he was probably the biggest nay-sayer and he did his homework more thoroughly than just about anyone else I've come accross. > I suggest to give it a couple of more days. In any case, as I said, the > real issues that are being discussed are mostly marginal and I think a > broader alpha/beta when the time comes will help get the necessary > feedback from people who really play around with it and/or bring up > other issues. > > Andi