Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41031 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 56797 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 21:01:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 21:01:08 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=phpwnd@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=phpwnd@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.198.236 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: phpwnd@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.198.236 rv-out-0506.google.com Received: from [209.85.198.236] ([209.85.198.236:14482] helo=rv-out-0506.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 81/7A-25867-39805F84 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:01:08 -0400 Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id g37so2694276rvb.23 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:01:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=5Yqs6YbCtulqslXBKqsk3aIVHOBOcM48gj6vwUyOAmo=; b=e1CZTm5NiHM5jhJvQ9O/f2GAvlldtpx1VriPSo9QGl+UfpsDlB4txWzxXrNhKtYN6X r9XMA/jQSCnXS1qExCdHq6DIp7L/2vNK5IvZcjE9VtuOIWUUuRjhhIyOAGlOlSrDna+N umayFU0oLdJpPGQ6WzouAxUlMSZva+a7olz3s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=jWQw3aF4R0excgn0/KhIAIBv6JL4pCUxWkhpmMNrLtToX/6+XbPZhOkHFzKuPHUKQX SqiMDmvzhzk9FO5FzaWQEYax+JBhswk8Rp7D8SfrEap372sMoeYZqRrqq+xt0ycnIC7J pQao9UkM33dlH7baecCUODeV7We7WS1joG0hY= Received: by 10.141.171.6 with SMTP id y6mr25389rvo.85.1224018064548; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.83.21 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <11c607a60810141401h6d69f5e3r6bd1f25cb07a58bb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:01:04 +0200 To: "Steph Fox" Cc: "Stanislav Malyshev" , "PHP internals" In-Reply-To: <00e101c92e3c$d5194b90$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <696583.1217.qm@web707.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48F4E520.5050200@lsces.co.uk> <48F4E824.7020104@zend.com> <002901c92e2f$acdac990$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <48F4F160.1040407@zend.com> <004d01c92e35$20c9cbd0$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <48F4F7EE.2030609@zend.com> <007b01c92e37$b2952e90$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <48F4FAF4.50509@zend.com> <00e101c92e3c$d5194b90$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespaces and alpha3 From: phpwnd@gmail.com ("Josh Davis") 2008/10/14 Steph Fox : > > Only 8 hours ago, one Jean-Phillipe Serafin wrote: "Many people have > starting working on top level application using namespaces, so there will a > very bad buzz over the php community if namespaces are ripped out..." and > there were further objections on the grounds that namespace support has been > 'announced' on php.net. I'd like to point out that those people started working with namespaces *before* the idea of dropping them (or postponing them to PHP 6) appeared on the list. I doubt those people would have done the same if they had been told that namespaces may very well not be available until PHP 6. Namespace support in 5.3 received quite a lot of coverage this year through blogs, articles and presentations, that's why some people started implementing them or prepared to migrate their codebase. Now if they're told it's postponed indefinitely (until PHP 6 gets a tentative schedule) they'll feel burned and they'll think twice before investing any time in testing new features in future releases. I think that's what Stas meant, people would not take the risk to implement such extensive changes without the assurance that namespace will be available. Those who already did were pretty sure that 5.3 would have namespaces. JD