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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespaces and alpha3
From: steph@php.net ("Steph Fox")

Hi Andi,


>I don't think postponing this to another big release is going to do anyone 
>any good. You will not see magical revelations because it's postponed by 
>another year.

No, but we might see a broader agreement, and that would give more of a 
basis for user confidence in moving to namespace usage.

> Greg, Stas, Dmitry all three have deep understanding of the issues. In 
> fact, I think we are closer to agreeing on a solution than it appears. I 
> believe Dmitry is OK with Stas proposed solution + I think with a few more 
> days of discussions with Greg we can nail something most feel OK with.

I sincerely hope so.

> Please note that the really important/urgent reasons for why namespaces 
> are needed are resolved. Many of the discussions are around edge cases 
> some of which are not that likely to affect developers on a daily basis. 
> Stas' syntax suggestion for dealing with ambiguous situations will likely 
> almost never be needed. So let's not make an elephant out of it.

Was that pun intentional? :)

>People who will actually start using this will find it beneficial (and I am 
>sure pick-up will be faster in the OO realm than people here have noted).

That would rather depend on whether people like the implementation, 
methinks.

> Btw, we are still in alpha. Historically a lot of these kind of issues 
> have been resolved towards the end of the alpha cycle. That is OK. The 
> beta/RC cycles are exactly intended to expose serious shortcomings in 
> design with much broader community review.
>
> I can assure you two things though:
> a) namespaces are needed by many.
> b) We will never make everyone happy.

I concur. Just let's not get trapped into one solution while under pressure 
at alpha stage, and then be stuck with it forever if it turns out to be less 
than optimal.

- Steph