Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:41013 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 14881 invoked from network); 14 Oct 2008 19:10:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Oct 2008 19:10:56 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=steph@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=steph@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 64.99.136.145 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: steph@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 64.99.136.145 smtprelay-virgin0145.hostedemail.com Received: from [64.99.136.145] ([64.99.136.145:41120] helo=smtprelay-virgin.hostedemail.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C1/C1-25867-FBEE4F84 for ; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:10:56 -0400 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay07.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6706FCFA822; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:10:53 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2,0,0,a0594febb5aaf020,691ff1dea13fdf9b,steph@php.net,stas@zend.com:internals@lists.php.net,RULES_HIT:355:379:539:540:541:542:543:567:599:601:968:973:988:989:1155:1156:1260:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1540:1587:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2073:2075:2078:2196:2199:2393:2559:2562:2737:2828:3027:3311:3352:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3871:3872:3873:3874:3876:3877:5007:6114:6261:7653:7875:7903,0,RBL:none,CacheIP:none,Bayesian:0.5,0.5,0.5,Netcheck:none,DomainCache:0,MSF:not bulk,SPF:,MSBL:none,DNSBL:none Received: from foxbox (62-31-252-63.cable.ubr07.shef.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.252.63]) (Authenticated sender: steph.fox) by omf11.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:10:52 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <003401c92e30$d33c6bb0$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> To: "Stanislav Malyshev" Cc: References: <652122.8719.qm@web708.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48F4D832.7010708@zend.com> <033701c92e24$d9ca3d60$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <48F4DF7E.1070202@zend.com> <038301c92e29$aa8f3aa0$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <48F4E5B3.2030000@zend.com> <002201c92e2f$3c37f2d0$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> <48F4ECE3.1090202@zend.com> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:12:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-session-marker: 73746570682E666F78 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespaces and alpha3 From: steph@php.net ("Steph Fox") >> What would happen if we give the namespace implementation a chance to >> mature is that it can be delivered as a fully-fledged language element >> rather than a partially-fledged and potentially flawed one. > > What do you mean by "chance to mature"? Only chance for it to mature is > people actually starting using it and not another week of discussing > separators on internals. OK, bad choice of terminology. I really mean "a chance for the likelier problems to be ironed out". > And people can't start using it if it's not only not released but there > are developers rooting for it to be removed. Suddenly nobody uses CVS? I think if we were to ask explicitly for namespace testers on php.net once there's a full implementation we're all reasonably happy with, we'd find them. - Steph