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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] namespaces and alpha3
From: steph@php.net ("Steph Fox")

> Major changes like ripping the feature that most people are looking 
> forward to
> in 5.3 out?

'Most people'? I would've expected 'most people' to be writing code that 
will run under 5.1 for at least the next couple of years! Experience tells 
me that takeup of new language elements is slow, and that 'most people' are 
likely to wait for PHP 5.3.1 or 5.3.2 before upgrading to 5.3 at all, 
precisely *because* it has a lot of new features.

> That E_STRICT was proposed for 6, not for 5.3, and is not a requirement - 
> and
> about "double duty", it's not really unintuitive to reference to "members" 
> of
> classes the same way you reference to "members" of instances.

Except that it has never been part of PHP syntax. Except that it will make 
code harder to read/maintain. Except that there are cases where the 
intention will be ambiguous.

>> 'An announcement has been done on php.net' simply isn't a good enough
>> reason to screw up the language; we can write new announcements and even
>> explanations. And we already have *most* of a working implementation in
>> 6.0, so it's not like ripping it out of 5.3 means starting over from
>> scratch.
>
> I would love to see the public reaction to those "new announcements and
> explanations", so in a way it's a win-win situation for me.

I'd love to see the public reaction if we get it badly wrong. I bet that 
lasts much, much longer than the five minute huff over withdrawal.

- Steph