Newsgroups: php.doc,php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.doc:969379453 php.internals:40837 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 69372 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2008 08:55:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 2 Oct 2008 08:55:36 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=philip@roshambo.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=philip@roshambo.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain roshambo.org from 207.210.105.50 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: philip@roshambo.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 207.210.105.50 analucia.asmallorange.com Received: from [207.210.105.50] ([207.210.105.50:34660] helo=analucia.asmallorange.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 5A/64-39275-78C84E84 for ; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:55:35 -0400 Received: from c-67-183-231-13.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([67.183.231.13]:55184 helo=[192.168.0.199]) by analucia.asmallorange.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KlJy6-00054g-OS; Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:55:30 -0400 Cc: "Stanislav Malyshev" , "Elizabeth M Smith" , phpdoc@lists.php.net, internals@lists.php.net Message-ID: To: Hannes Magnusson In-Reply-To: <7f3ed2c30810011206o69bf2b25h2ec38df8ffe5e47f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 01:55:27 -0700 References: <7f3ed2c30810010639q445b94b3m637ed929215d1cc6@mail.gmail.com> <49.5C.04812.F70B3E84@pb1.pair.com> <48E3BB65.9040405@zend.com> <7f3ed2c30810011206o69bf2b25h2ec38df8ffe5e47f@mail.gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - analucia.asmallorange.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - roshambo.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: Re: Commit messages dead? From: philip@roshambo.org (Philip Olson) Hello all, An online editing mechanism was discussed and started[1] but let's be honest here and stare at the larger problem. The documentation team is on extended holiday and why? I don't know... maybe it's cyclical? Or maybe we need a larger marketing budget. But really if making it easier to inject words into the manual is seen as the main problem here then great, that sounds easy to fix, but writing good documentation is time consuming and I guess many humans prefer not doing it at all even though it's an art too. But maybe removing the "I don't have time to setup/test yet another tool chain" excuse is a good start. The new doc build system has gone a long way to do this. We recently reviewed the doc TODO situation and one of the first tasks is streamlining the HOWTO because it's a bit lengthy and dated. As for the required tool chain it's not too difficult anymore, and DocBook knowledge and special tools are not needed except to know XML is like a

in HTML. Basically. Almost. The online editor thread with demo: [1] http://markmail.org/message/xchvvhk4hlvg33a3 Regards, Philip