Newsgroups: php.doc,php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.doc:969379443 php.internals:40825 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 59908 invoked from network); 1 Oct 2008 18:12:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 1 Oct 2008 18:12:16 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=parasane@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=parasane@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.200.171 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: parasane@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.200.171 wf-out-1314.google.com Received: from [209.85.200.171] ([209.85.200.171:23653] helo=wf-out-1314.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 69/00-04812-F7DB3E84 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:12:15 -0400 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 26so681410wfd.26 for ; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:12:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Ha9fp6e8W7Wts17UxxehTohBqIIkpqjm5eQhZkk7z3E=; b=bM3Gqnl1zxYgjLFTmAoXCfciY19sE8I8ArkTkLghlZFiNrk9q5BF+xkpigqWMaB4yz VTlQJzbzqffA5i/AF0lFsrkYBbG46YLpeJQt0ACF/Hn1Ykx5HqkvNFS+dw9cWaQNaDVx b+/kD9kmf3jD4pOiWXJ/MVGn6LUsM7SIOK7mM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=OcE24Qm9HkVZ7pJ+0Ogq1THm5pIGEvP8AS/X34+9/G1VdCwdHkqzuII0vYWMPiGI68 mDhCLNpweK7tr0drh9J7JFYROu6UpsLbts5VhcfCPpL5FNo1u7o0sg3eEr7xARxFUz4e kAzfWZRkc+NUhpHW0e+LeEbaylwxqJkrtm3eU= Received: by 10.140.132.8 with SMTP id f8mr4580101rvd.206.1222884732764; Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.160.21 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:12:12 -0400 To: "Elizabeth M Smith" Cc: phpdoc@lists.php.net, internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: <49.5C.04812.F70B3E84@pb1.pair.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <7f3ed2c30810010639q445b94b3m637ed929215d1cc6@mail.gmail.com> <49.5C.04812.F70B3E84@pb1.pair.com> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-DOC] [DOC] Commit messages dead? From: parasane@gmail.com ("Daniel Brown") Hannes, I think both Thiago and Elizabeth are correct. Call me old-hat: I prefer CVS.... but I'm well aware that it's a daunting task to learn that new technology for people who would otherwise not use it. In fact, most projects - including PHP - are moving away from CVS, in favor of SVN, Git, et cetera. If we don't encourage new people to assist in the documentation - and foster them in the process - the docs will suffer. And if the docs suffer, the language is surely going to lose it's position quickly. I propose that the idea of creating a new web-based interface moves forward, and that we put out a call for volunteers to build the new system. I'll even take on the responsibility of leading or co-managing the project, and will donate hardware and bandwidth for the development of the new system. Even to build a system to integrate with the existing one would not be too difficult. Take ideas from the Wiki project, et al, and we can have the results output as XML files if we really want to. The project could be as small as to fill the niche to offer an easy-to-use web interface that uses BBCode-like markup and auto-commits to the CVS repo, or as vast as creating a new, proprietary system. If the proposal from here moves forward, we should set up a convenient time when the initial Working Group can meet on IRC or another medium to set the foundation and iron-out the initial details. -- More full-root dedicated server packages: Intel 2.4GHz/60GB/512MB/2TB $49.99/mo. Intel 3.06GHz/80GB/1GB/2TB $59.99/mo. Intel 2.4GHz/320/GB/1GB/3TB $74.99/mo. Dedicated servers, VPS, and hosting from $2.50/mo.