Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:40650 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 55271 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 23:08:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 23:08:41 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=steph@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=steph@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 64.99.136.185 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: steph@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 64.99.136.185 smtprelay-virgin0185.hostedemail.com Received: from [64.99.136.185] ([64.99.136.185:48903] helo=smtprelay-virgin.hostedemail.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 63/3F-33890-9F679D84 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:08:41 -0400 Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (ff-bigip1 [10.5.19.254]) by smtprelay05.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 119E18CEBDE; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:08:39 +0000 (UTC) X-SpamScore: 1 X-Spam-Summary: 2,0,0,dcc4ab9cee9a99d3,f25d335d8fdeff37,steph@php.net,,RULES_HIT:355:379:539:540:541:542:543:567:599:601:945:988:989:1155:1156:1260:1277:1311:1313:1314:1345:1437:1515:1516:1518:1534:1539:1587:1593:1594:1711:1730:1747:1766:1792:2073:2075:2078:2393:2559:2562:2828:3027:3352:3865:3866:3867:3868:3869:3870:3871:3872:3874:4250:5007:6119:6261:6299:7653:7875:7903,0,RBL:none,CacheIP:none,Bayesian:0.5,0.5,0.5,Netcheck:none,DomainCache:0,MSF:not bulk,SPF:,MSBL:none,DNSBL:none Received: from foxbox (62-31-252-63.cable.ubr07.shef.blueyonder.co.uk [62.31.252.63]) (Authenticated sender: steph.fox) by omf12.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <002701c91dd1$89dad480$3ffc1f3e@foxbox> To: "Kevin Waterson" , Cc: "Andi Gutmans" References: <59.6C.35835.FB3F8D84@pb1.pair.com> <20080924065741.50a30448.kevin@phpro.org> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:10:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-session-marker: 73746570682E666F78 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view From: steph@php.net ("Steph Fox") > Lets just let it die. It is un-needed, un-wanted by many, and the end > result seems to be less that optimal, or even a true implementation > of namespaces. Oddly enough, I agree with Kevin with my heart and soul. But then I hear the howls of outrage from the Other Side, who campaigned without ruth to get namespaces into PHP in the first place. Would someone with authority (Andi? Derick?) like to give an overview of the pros, cons and issues at this point? It's quite difficult to follow all these tiny, endless myco-esque threads, and I share Greg's allergy to wikis for the simple reason that the model is similar. Each item sparks another. - Steph