Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:40646 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 20704 invoked from network); 23 Sep 2008 20:53:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 20:53:38 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=kevin@phpro.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=kevin@phpro.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain phpro.org from 64.22.118.220 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: kevin@phpro.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 64.22.118.220 ns0.oceania.net Received: from [64.22.118.220] ([64.22.118.220:1257] helo=swamp.oceania.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 9F/68-33890-15759D84 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:53:37 -0400 Received: from kevin.kev ([58.172.208.9]) by swamp.oceania.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id m8NNfhTK027248 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:41:44 +1000 Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 06:57:41 +1000 To: internals@lists.php.net Message-ID: <20080924065741.50a30448.kevin@phpro.org> In-Reply-To: <59.6C.35835.FB3F8D84@pb1.pair.com> References: <59.6C.35835.FB3F8D84@pb1.pair.com> Organization: PHPRO X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 2.0.4 (GTK+ 2.10.4; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] true namespaces, yet another point of view From: kevin@phpro.org (Kevin Waterson) This one time, at band camp, "jvlad" wrote: > May I suggest something in this area? May I suggest something also.. Lets just let namespaces die and let it become a repressed memory as it seems it is more trouble that it is worth. Seriously. For 10+ years we have got on just fine without them, and the amount of work to get a second-best implementation that nobody agrees on hardly seems benificial. The gains of namespaces are minimal at best, because a few cannot be bothered with some simple prefixing. PHP 5.3 release is looming, and there is STILL conflict about implementation. The current approach is a long way from what was thought of as namespace support and it seems nobody is completely happy with any model that has been put forward. The current implementation is nothing but a series of comprimses, each one taking away a little of the functionality that was first envisaged. Lets just let it die. It is un-needed, un-wanted by many, and the end result seems to be less that optimal, or even a true implementation of namespaces. Kevin