Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:40398 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 74996 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2008 08:19:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 Sep 2008 08:19:38 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=helly@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=helly@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 85.214.94.56 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: helly@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 85.214.94.56 aixcept.net Linux 2.6 Received: from [85.214.94.56] ([85.214.94.56:57299] helo=h1149922.serverkompetenz.net) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 42/C9-14433-89136C84 for ; Tue, 09 Sep 2008 04:19:38 -0400 Received: from MBOERGER-ZRH.corp.google.com (81-109.106-92.cust.bluewin.ch [92.106.109.81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by h1149922.serverkompetenz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3494711F489; Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:19:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 10:16:43 +0200 Reply-To: Marcus Boerger X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <534261196.20080909101643@marcus-boerger.de> To: Stanislav Malyshev CC: Lukas Kahwe Smith , Dmitry Stogov , Greg Beaver , PHP Developers Mailing List In-Reply-To: <48C57B9D.5080805@zend.com> References: <486FA5FB.1000300@php.net> <48C55855.4080602@zend.com> <48C5668E.7040503@zend.com> <45212116-55A0-4683-8BF7-E3723637158D@pooteeweet.org> <48C57B9D.5080805@zend.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: towards a 5.3 release From: helly@php.net (Marcus Boerger) Hello Stanislav, Monday, September 8, 2008, 9:23:09 PM, you wrote: > Hi! >> initial hard work of trying to do something new). Especially in this >> sense I would recommend all people on this list to make sure they use >> language that encourages people from coming out of the shadows on this >> topic, rather than scaring them off. > I can only second that. > But on the other hand, I think we should also take proposals for change > on this stage with a grain of salt - when you using a new tool, there's > always a moment when you are tempted to say "ah, this works different > way from my old tool, why is that? It should work the same way, because > it's the only natural way!" but it feels natural only because you are > used to work with an old tool and not necessarily because it's better. > It is very hard to know the "you'll thank me later" situation until the > later happens, but sometimes it's exactly that. Sometimes it isn't, of > course :) We love you all and you're the best - seriously - well we all do a cool job here I think. > -- > Stanislav Malyshev, Zend Software Architect > stas@zend.com http://www.zend.com/ > (408)253-8829 MSN: stas@zend.com Best regards, Marcus