Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:40382 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 94574 invoked from network); 8 Sep 2008 23:05:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Sep 2008 23:05:47 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=sv_forums@fmethod.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=sv_forums@fmethod.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain fmethod.com from 69.16.228.148 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: sv_forums@fmethod.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 69.16.228.148 unknown Linux 2.4/2.6 Received: from [69.16.228.148] ([69.16.228.148:55473] helo=host.fmethod.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 3B/5A-46475-BCFA5C84 for ; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:05:47 -0400 Received: from [83.228.56.37] (port=2047 helo=pc) by host.fmethod.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Kcpnj-0004iL-K1 for internals@lists.php.net; Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:05:44 -0500 Message-ID: <761AC44CD41B420F82CE00DE2EEC21F0@pc> To: References: <486FA5FB.1000300@php.net> <48C55855.4080602@zend.com> <48C5624A.1040901@zend.com> <48C56743.2060706@zend.com> <48C56821.2040805@shitennou.com> <48C5695E.1010404@zend.com> <48C56A51.1000307@shitennou.com> <48C56CEE.6050807@zend.com> <48C56DED.4010407@shitennou.com> <48C57045.6020003@zend.com> <48C5715C.2070102@shitennou.com> <48C574E8.1030504@zend.com> <48C57761.5030708@shitennou.com> <48C57F58.3060703@zend.com> <48C59A7D.50201@shitennou.com> <48C5A0B9.2040300@zend.com> <48C5A90E.6060902@shitennou.com> <48C5ABC4.1010008@zend.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 02:05:39 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.fmethod.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - fmethod.com Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: towards a 5.3 release From: sv_forums@fmethod.com ("Stan Vassilev | FM") >> As you said before - how is it any different from just being able to >> call escape("foo") or display("foo"); It's a matter of taste. To me >> that is not anymore of a meaningful name - just a different syntax and >> not one your average wordpress user would know how to handle. > > Well, if it's just a matter of taste - then, well, tastes differ. Saying > "my taste requires every name not to have ::" is not the same as saying > "namespaced functions are useless". So essentially this is your argument for making functions a special case: your taste. I don't see any other arguments coming from you. I'd really appreciate if you start discussing the actual issues we name and not spin rhetoric about how everything is just great once we adjust to *your* taste. Also, if namespaces are great, I think it's time for Zend to drink the cool aid and show us where their alpha/beta of ZF with namespaces is. I think witnessing the problems with namespaces first-hand in a team with large codebase will explain things to you better than we (apparently) can here, as our experience is not taken seriously.